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Post by Scars Unseen on Jun 19, 2015 22:29:00 GMT -6
That's fair. The video above, however, felt like it was just a waste of time. There's being critical, and then there's coming off so negative and cynical that it feels like the guy was just putting on a show for the views(i.e. the exact same thing he accuses E3 itself of doing). I'd say that Jim Sterling did a better job of covering the show, pointing out faults without just coming off as someone who hates his job. He also did a Podquisition covering E3 along with Laura Kate and Miracle of Sound here.
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Post by Scars Unseen on Jun 19, 2015 20:22:48 GMT -6
Correct. There're also light novels(basically Japanese young adult novels with illustration) and visual novels(an odd amalgam of anime, manga and choose-your-own-adventure novel that is often grouped with video games categorically).
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Post by Scars Unseen on Jun 19, 2015 19:23:00 GMT -6
Hmm... favorites, huh. Hard to pin that down, but I'll list a few I really like.
Older Anime(let's say anything from the 20th Century):
Zeta Gundam Armitage III(original OVA) Record of the Lodoss War Cowboy Bebop Trigun Rurouni Kenshin Serial Experiments Lain
Newer Anime:
Last Exile Monogatari Series Nichijou Ore Monogatari(ongoing) Kill la KILL Your Lie in April Puella Magi Madoka Magica Darker than Black Knights of Sidonia
Manga:
Battle Royale Knights of Sidonia(and really, any of Nihei's stuff is great) To-Love-Ru Rurouni Kenshin Berserk Tokyo Ghoul The Legend of Mother Sarah Liar Game
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Post by Scars Unseen on Jun 19, 2015 17:17:29 GMT -6
That's why Shenmue Undub exists.
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Post by Scars Unseen on Jun 19, 2015 8:54:06 GMT -6
Okay, so I've been defending Shenmue and its Kickstarter on two threads here, and I stand by what I've said. But if you ask me if - as someone who never played the original 2 two games - it would be worth backing sight unseen... that's really hard to answer definitively. The original was a landmark game, setting records and establishing conventions that we still see in games today. It had such high production values that it is still a fairly good looking game 16 years later(though the movement controls are rather clunky due to the Dreamcast only having a single analog stick). The music is amazing, the immersion is overwhelming, and the level of detail that went into the neighborhoods the game takes place in is still unmatched by any game I've encountered.
But.
We are talking about a story that started 16 years ago. If you didn't play the games back then, it won't be quite as meaningful to you as it is to me. Part of the sheer fervor behind this Kickstarter stems not so much from nostalgia(because I do think that the game holds up really well, awkward controls aside), but from a decade and a half of expectation. Shenmue is kind of the Lord of the Rings of open city games, and like LotR, a lot has come after that have taken various aspects of its design and refined them. There is no replacement for Shenmue. Nothing has come since that has accomplished all the things that Shenmue did. But how much that matters to people that can play games that did improve on some aspects of its design isn't something I'm capable of predicting.
Ultimately, if you decide you want to back Shenmue 3, what you are doing is committing to playing two old games if you want to get the most out of the experience. Maybe that appeals to you after the things I've said about them. Maybe, like with many younger fantasy fans and LotR, the original isn't that important to you because many of the things it set up have been done many times over in faster paced works that followed it. Because make no mistake: Shenmue is not a fast paced game. It focuses more on immersion than on fast paced storytelling and action. Advancing the actual plot is more about hunting down people and following clues than it is beating enemies. It's as much a life simulator as an RPG.
I guess what I'm saying is that you should find out for yourself if Shenmue is the sort of game you're interested in. Buying the disc is going to be a bit pricey, but at least checking out a Let's Play might be a good start.
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Post by Scars Unseen on Jun 19, 2015 4:59:38 GMT -6
Put at 5:00, it's about everything I need to know about shenmue 3 You know a man is a true cynic when even Jim Sterling sounds more optimistic about E3. And are we really going to bring in accusations about a Kickstarter being used as a means to gauge interest on a message board dedicated to Bloodstained?
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Post by Scars Unseen on Jun 18, 2015 17:25:00 GMT -6
Since when was orchestra a done deal with Shenmue? Okay, forget porting. But seriously, no physical copy for PS4? What the hell. I can't imagine Shenmue not having an orchestra, but I suppose we'll find out more since Yu is coming onto Reddit to answer questions today sometime. As for physical copies, yeah, I'd like that as well. I would be interested in knowing why there won't be a physical console release, but they sounded like the decision was pretty final.
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Post by Scars Unseen on Jun 18, 2015 17:08:11 GMT -6
Orchestra, ports to other systems, and hiring voice actors comes to mind. I don't know if Shenmue 3 will have a weather system, but if it doesn't then it should be a stretch goal as well. It's Shenmue. Those are pretty much guaranteed to be part of the basic deal. Shenmue pretty much pioneered all that stuff. It would be like Bloodstained doing stretch goals like "jumping" "secondary attack skills," and "supernatural elements." Except the ports to other systems, and I think that's an unrealistic expectation of a project being partially or even primarily funded by Sony. Like I said on Reddit, we'll see Shenmue 3 on systems like the Xbox One when we see Halo 5 on the PS4. Or to put it in a closer comparison, when we see Bayonetta 2 on anything other than the Wii U.
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Post by Scars Unseen on Jun 18, 2015 12:03:59 GMT -6
Although the translation stretch goals were somewhat laughable(sort of... it's not like proper translations take no effort/money), beyond that... I mean, what sort of stretch goals are you hoping for? This isn't Bloodstained. Any development time that's spent on stuff other than the main thrust of the game is development time wasted. The game is likely going to be taking place entirely within Baisha Village. What else should they be doing with funding other than making that area as detailed and involving as they can? Extra modes of play would be pointless, and would probably piss the fanbase off. Extra characters? Not feasible for this game. Extra areas beyond what's already planned? Would water down the experience.
Shenmue has always been about depth, not breadth. That's not something that lends itself to exciting stretch goals.
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Post by Scars Unseen on Jun 18, 2015 9:59:51 GMT -6
The whole "I'm offended" thing is kind of a sore point for me because I just got done having to deal with that nonsense from people who were going on about that sort of thing with Bloodstained because they believed that Torment was the One True Game, and that Castlevania was just a pointless platformer with no real storytelling behind it. Having to hear the same crap on this side of the fence is a bit grating.
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Post by Scars Unseen on Jun 18, 2015 7:35:35 GMT -6
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Post by Scars Unseen on Jun 18, 2015 2:43:21 GMT -6
I said it before and I'll say it again, if shenmue gets more I'll be downright offended. Someone showed me a video in an effort to help me understand why it should possibly get more support. But what I saw had no gameplay at all, just cutscene... I suspect they expected me to be impressed that the cutscenes were using in-game models and animations rather than some FMV or something, which is in fact unique for its time but...uhh...Those kinds of features are the kinds of features AAA developers who care more about credit and less than actual gameplay try to convince is important than the actual game... As for gameplay, I know nothing other than it inveted QTE events, which many gamers swear is a PLAUGE on gaming? How would that impress me? I'm sorry, but after seeing that video, I'm only MORE convinced this is a game that is gambling on its own hype and media attention alone rather than actual merit... I'm not accusing it to be bad, maybe I'd love the game if I tried it, but objectively I don't see why anyone who isn't wearing pink nostalgia fanboy glasses would EVER consider this over a faithful revival of metroidvania based on the advertisment, hype, and possibly previous experience alone...previous experience is in fact a GOOD reason to prefer it, but like I said, if I didn't know the game, I can't imagine how more people than castlevania could do so, seriously... that's like expecting suikoden, as good a game it is, to have a bigger fanbase than super effing mario. edit: not that I'm saying more support wont happen, I'm worried it WILL happen, I'll just be upset that it will, and I don't mean offense by that, like I said, it may very well be an amazing game, I really don't know. I just think that if it somehow gets more support than BS, it wont be from merit alone. In other words, you think your favorite genre of games is better than other people's favorite genre of games. Fair enough, but I find your stance to be the sort of "people can't like things I don't like" rhetoric that I find absolutely hilarious. You'll be offended? Really? Because other people like a thing and want to see it succeed? You do realize that there are people out there saying the exact same thing about Bloodstained, right? That it only got so much support because of nostalgia?
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Post by Scars Unseen on Jun 17, 2015 15:06:26 GMT -6
I will recommend Princess Waltz for its action scenes which remind me of F/SN's in some regards. Also has some neat mini-game. Regarding getting VNs from Fuwanovel, what would I need to play and/or patch them? Be cautious about anything you find that's labeled Fuwanovel. That site used to provide torrents, but got out of that scene and took down all of their files. Any files out there that have that tagged onto the file name is not from them, and could have been tampered with. Scan for safety.
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Post by Scars Unseen on Jun 17, 2015 5:13:43 GMT -6
Cool, I've been at it for almost 6 years. I've come a long ways, but don't use it nearly as much as I planned. I suffer from panics and my medicine just zaps any motivation I have these days. It was cool listening to IGA, Yamada, and Yamane san speak though. I used to watch keyholetv way back when, even with the subpar audio quality it was nice. Now I just watch the occasional anime. Back on topic, I feel exactly the same. Please let me know if you find any you really like. Whereas I can't speak another language to save my life lol But to those who CAN, more power to ya. Also, I'm hoping to find some more good VNs to read other than the ones I mentioned. A few more I could mention: G-senjou no Maou(The Devil on G-string) - mystery/thriller/comedy VN involving high school students, yakuza and a criminal mastermind known as Maou Grisaia no Kajitsu - comedy/drama VN involving a high school for students with social/psychological issues. probably one of the funniest VNs I've read. Officially translated - All ages version on Steam with 18+ version to be released soon Saya no Uta - horror VN involving a college student who sees everything wrong following a traffic accident. Written by the guy who wrote Madoka Magica. This one's pretty messed up, but totally worth reading. Officially translated and available from JAST USA. Fate/Stay Night - action/fantasy/drama about a deadly competition between mages in modern Japan. There's a good anime adaptation that's finishing up for one of the routes, but I still highly recommend reading the VN
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Post by Scars Unseen on Jun 16, 2015 19:25:01 GMT -6
Wait, did I say Tsukihime? Not sure why I did that... there is no Tsukihime anime after all... Yes, much better. Erase the thought of its very existence from your memory banks... Now if I could only do the same with Grisaia no Kajitsu...
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Post by Scars Unseen on Jun 16, 2015 19:19:57 GMT -6
Wait, did I say Tsukihime? Not sure why I did that... there is no Tsukihime anime after all... I'd hardly even HEARD of Tsukihime apart from an LP of it on the Let's Play Archives. Other than that, it went way over my head lol Tsukihime is a good read, but it's an early work from Type-Moon, so not anywhere near as polished as Fate/Stay Night. The music is pretty minimalist, there's no voice acting... There's a remake in the works, but this is Type-Moon, so who knows when it'll actually be finished.
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Post by Scars Unseen on Jun 16, 2015 19:15:39 GMT -6
Well if we're going to judge VNs by their adaptations, there goes Tsukihime, Grisaia no Kajitsu and possibly Fate/Stay Night if you're going by the Studio Deen productions. And let's give the School Days adaptation the tiniest bit of credit: there's no way they could have made those characters likable. There's just not. For the love of god, don't mention Tsukihime, and Fate/Stay Night(DEEN)'s anime adaptions. Wait, did I say Tsukihime? Not sure why I did that... there is no Tsukihime anime after all...
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Post by Scars Unseen on Jun 16, 2015 19:13:38 GMT -6
I would say that, at the least, you should try Muv-Luv. It starts as a generic high school harem comedy, but then turns into one of the best mecha action/dramas ever. There's a reason Muv-Luv Alternative is the highest rated visual novel on VNDB(Steins;Gate is second). I should give that a try as well. Just remember to start with Muv-Luv before going to its sequel, Muv-Luv Alternative. The sequel is the highly rated one, but it doesn't have anywhere near as much impact if you haven't played the first. Also, the first one is divided into two games: Muv-Luv Extra and Muv-Luv Unlimited. You have to play through the two main heroines' routes to unlock Unlimited.
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Post by Scars Unseen on Jun 16, 2015 19:07:44 GMT -6
I feel inexperienced compared to some of you, I think I'll stick with all my Steins;Gate visual novels..... I would say that, at the least, you should try Muv-Luv. It starts as a generic high school harem comedy, but then turns into one of the best mecha action/dramas ever. There's a reason Muv-Luv Alternative is the highest rated visual novel on VNDB(Steins;Gate is second).
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Post by Scars Unseen on Jun 16, 2015 19:04:05 GMT -6
School Days has pretty much the best route structure I've seen in a visual novel. The characters are pretty much all reprehensible, but they're supposed to be. It isn't in my top 5, but it's a great VN to play every now and again without a guide just to see where it goes. I'm not disputing that. It's just...the animated adaptation... Oy vey.... Well if we're going to judge VNs by their adaptations, there goes Tsukihime, Grisaia no Kajitsu and possibly Fate/Stay Night if you're going by the Studio Deen productions. And let's give the School Days adaptation the tiniest bit of credit: there's no way they could have made those characters likable. There's just not.
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