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Post by saberwolf94 on Jun 5, 2019 2:50:37 GMT -6
Thank you, hopefully it's a sensible solution.
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Post by saberwolf94 on May 31, 2019 13:04:06 GMT -6
browren I've been replying to you publicly every time you pinged me, and I didn't dismiss you on Discord, I asked if you could repeat your question to me because I was told you pinged me but yesterday was the Zangetsu announce and I was indeed extremely, extremely busy.
For context although I try to reply as much as possible online, my actual job as the brand manager is to lead all publishing efforts for the game, so if for whatever reason I don't reply or ask for clarification or something, that's not me blowing you off, rest assured.
I understand if you're unhappy with the Mac & Linux situation, however we've addressed your questions. Platform changes were offered, upgrade to a physical were offered, we're too close to launch to continue that offer anymore, but if you emailed Fangamer requesting either of these two solutions in the past, they will have that in their records and will honor the request.
Angel, how will import fees be handled for overseas backers like me now that the shipment has changed from 1 to 3 (physical game, backer collectables, amano poster separate from that).
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Post by saberwolf94 on May 31, 2019 0:19:02 GMT -6
Since a lot of people are complementing this post I want to register a formal rebuttal. Sure, business is about maximizing profits while minimizing expenses, I don't think anyone will argue with that. That does not mean extracting maximum value from something leads to maximum profit. If that were true Amazon wouldn't have operated at a loss for 15 years. Sometimes maintaining a market advantage or an intangible asset (like your brand and good name) is more important than dicking your investors/customers out of $60.
For 505 / Iga, they've made their priorities clear. Whether that is a smart business remains to be seen.
Destiny. The Division. Huge amounts of rage, huge amount of profit. Nothing of that level is occurring here. But I think you inflating things a bit for what is basically a charity with perks. Man. I'm still pissed about 40 bucks after 100 to get a fixed version of Destiny 2. Feh! I, however, did not scream to the heavens. I simply moved on. So it goes. Again. Nothing near that calibur occurring here. "Better" doesn't necessarily mean "good". Breaking a leg is better than breaking both legs and a hand but breaking a single leg is still not good thing.
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Post by saberwolf94 on May 30, 2019 17:29:55 GMT -6
So I guess I have to address the elephant in the room: David Hayter's no longer doing Snake-voice for Zangetsu Also, although I don't condone the hostility underlying most of the comments, I too am curious about exactly why the Mac/Linux ports were canceled. I was a little pissed when the Vita port was canceled, but whatever, I was offered a refund and although I'm sure they could have still gone ahead with the game I kind of understand why it was canceled... still wonder if they even started it, but whatever. It just seems like, wherever you stand on this, that the devs could have been a little more transparent with these cancellations. If there was some legitimate technical hurdle that couldn't be overcome, why not just tell us what it was? There are plenty of community members that understand the technicalities of video game development. I hope that in the end 505 manages to do right by the Linux/Mac backers, in some way, and that we all get to enjoy and celebrate this game together David Hayter being Zangetsu instead of Gebel is old news too be honest. It was confirmed on the 505 interviews Angel Corlux did with the English voice actors. That kind of stuff was actually some of the best things they did when it comes to their involvement with Bloodstained.
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Post by saberwolf94 on May 30, 2019 17:01:42 GMT -6
Business is not a philosophical pursuit. It's not an ethical pursuit. It's a financial pursuit. Maintaining a positive influx of revenue against the cost of running the business is a shitty game where every drop downward means someone's day or even life is going to suck, suck, *suck*. While probably not the help you're looking for, I suggest you cut your own losses. You're mad. Things are not going your way. Just let it go.
Since a lot of people are complementing this post I want to register a formal rebuttal. Sure, business is about maximizing profits while minimizing expenses, I don't think anyone will argue with that. That does not mean extracting maximum value from something leads to maximum profit. If that were true Amazon wouldn't have operated at a loss for 15 years. Sometimes maintaining a market advantage or an intangible asset (like your brand and good name) is more important than dicking your investors/customers out of $60.
For 505 / Iga, they've made their priorities clear. Whether that is a smart business remains to be seen.
I don't want to seem like an IGA a** kisser here but honestly I think he's not the one running the show anymore, in regards to selling the game and making business moves to ensure the game is a hit on the big picture. I don't know what kind of deals and signings went on between them, if 505 put in extra money in development for the game etc. but I don't think he's the primary figure calling the shots on big decisions. It's almost like he got caught on in the publisher's web but didn't have much choice in the matter. It'll be interesting to see if he wants his next game to be done in this crowdfunded fashion or just go back doing things the old fashioned way. I've no doubt that having to listen to backers and people as you go in this game development fashion must have been incredibly stressful than just making a game behind the scenes and revealing things when you're 70% done.
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Post by saberwolf94 on May 30, 2019 16:40:09 GMT -6
Hey thanks for the update. People on Kickstarter are being ridiculous with the talk about lawsuits. Anyway, I have two questions: 1. Apparently it will only release on the 21st of June in my country. Will I still receive a temporary steam key on the 18th? 2. Will the savegames from those temporary steam keys carry over into the permanent game once it has been shipped and activated? Question Angel-Corlux I have been told that the answer both of those questions is 'yes'. Question, I sent you an email regarding import fees and taxes for overseas backers like me now that the shipment has been split to 3 for backers in the higher tiers getting the collectables and the amano poster. I imagine you have your hands full right now but I hope somebody answers my questions soon, it's been 9 days already and neither 505 or fangamer has addressed me on this.
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Post by saberwolf94 on May 29, 2019 16:32:14 GMT -6
(they have changed the shipment from 1 to 3 for those that backed high tiers for the collectables) About that, I don't think it was said explicitly that there would be 3 shipments. How I'm reading this is that there will be a total of 2, and one of the reasons for there being 2 is waiting on the Amano poster to be done. I think 3 may or may not be necessary depending on how long it takes for him to finish it, but for right now I see in those paragraphs "All the backer rewards aside from the physical copies of the game will arrive later in a single shipment", so if at all possible for all parties, two makes the most sense. Well, they clearly stated in the update email I got that they will be sending the physical copies on their own so they get on time to everyone. Backer collectables will come later so that they put complete focus on shipping the actual games. They specifically mentioned however that the amano poster is even exempt from that, that could perhaps change but from what I understood from their email is that it won't be too long of a wait for the backer collectables, we may very well get them within a couple of weeks after getting the game, but for the amano poster it might even take a month or more. I mean, they chose to specifically address it so that's how I understand it. I hope you're right though and it does indeed split to just 2 shipments maximum, if they're clever this is what they'll do.
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Post by saberwolf94 on May 29, 2019 12:46:46 GMT -6
browren, my man. I get it. Something you loved and thought would be awesome turned into a personalized shitshow. I'd be right there with you if I hadn't done the exact same thing to good people. I fired them. Folks with kids, dying relatives, emotional grief. Good, hard-working people in hard times. I fired them. Why? Because I work for a business, and success as a business includes cutting losses. They were mad. Some made threats. I quietly 'forgot' the threats to not add to the stress to their lives that police showing up at the door causes. Business is not a philosophical pursuit. It's not an ethical pursuit. It's a financial pursuit. Maintaining a positive influx of revenue against the cost of running the business is a shitty game where every drop downward means someone's day or even life is going to suck, suck, *suck*. While probably not the help you're looking for, I suggest you cut your own losses. You're mad. Things are not going your way. Just let it go. You aren't going to right any universal wrongs here. Also, in letting it go, the future may hold an opportunity to enjoy the game in a different way at a vastly cheaper cost. If you let this rage sour you, you're doing a disservice to the you in the past that donated to the cause and was excited to play this. Either way, I hope you figure out a solution that let's you move on. Your assessment is correct (if we look at this from the business side of things). Despite me disagreeing with their decision, I sympathize that's it's too good for them to not pass up this opportunity. But, even if minor there are always consequences and even if this would make an almost irrelevant difference, I for one will not back any future projects and just get whatever I want at the end like the average consumer. You're advocating pragmatism (in the business side of things) well that applies in both ends of the spectrum. Instead of letting them hold my money for years I'll just exercise my right and swoop in at the end. When this is all over depending on what they decide in regards to import fees for us overseas buyers (they have changed the shipment from 1 to 3 for those that backed high tiers for the collectables) I'll make a video (I run a youtube channel) objectively sharing my whole experience the bad and the good, with my verdict being set in stone from what I've learnt. It could very well make little difference to the big picture, but it is all I can do, at least educate people if they want to sign up for something similar. Plus it will make for a good video.
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Post by saberwolf94 on May 29, 2019 8:12:34 GMT -6
Gunlord, can you find out about how import fees will be handled for overseas backers that backed the $300 tier, now that shipment has been split to 3, physical game, backer collectables and amano poster it makes things more complicated for overseas backers like me. I have already messaged Question and fangamer regarding this, they haven't replied yet, if it's easy for yoy to find out any information I'd appreciate it. A lot of people have asked that question, actually, and Angel has been looking into it. Ill give him a reminder just to make sure. Thanks, I appreciate it.
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Post by saberwolf94 on May 29, 2019 0:12:58 GMT -6
Dang Sorry Arikado , I checked up on it and it seems a season pass for future DLC might not be practical. If the game is being released for a Nintendo, Sony, or Microsoft system, there are licensing fees 505 has to pay for the game itself and any associated additions, such as DLC. So 505 would have to pay potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars, and possibly more, just to make more costumes or story expansions beyond the stretch goals for Bloodstained. Thus, it wouldnt be practical for them to give it away in the form of season passes. Hmm...with that out of the way, another suggestion I initially brought up when the survey was called: If the backer only content is no longer backer only, how about giving 60+ backers an exclusive in game title they could use? Like, the online modes are still in progress, so maybe they could set it so that your username on the leaderboards had a special effect or flair indicating you were an original member of the Army of the Night. This would give the backers something special to commemorate them and make their purchase worth it, and also wouldnt attract pirates because if youre pirating a game, you arent going to care about letting other people know you supported it, cause you didnt lol. What do you guys think? Gunlord, can you find out about how import fees will be handled for overseas backers that backed the $300 tier, now that shipment has been split to 3, physical game, backer collectables and amano poster it makes things more complicated for overseas backers like me. I have already messaged Question and fangamer regarding this, they haven't replied yet, if it's easy for yoy to find out any information I'd appreciate it.
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Post by saberwolf94 on May 27, 2019 20:34:53 GMT -6
Another thing that confuses me is the argument that allowing everyone to purchase backer exclusive content as DLC will curb pirating... "I mean obviously that’s a part of it, but the chief things I was considering was making sure everyone had a safe and legitimate way to get the full game experience no matter when they find out about Bloodstained, whether that’s 5 months ago or 5 years from now, and that we were being respectful of the price backers originally paid (hence the DLC pricing).” If people were going to pirate the game they will do it anyway. Allowing people to purchase Backer Exclusive content has nothing to do with pirating the game. I dislike backer exclusive content. The truth is, the normal version is inferior to backer version. There are people who are willing to pay for the game but not willing to settle for the inferior version. Why should they pay for the inferior version while the pirates can get the backer version? This reminds me of COTM, why a paying customer like me have to deal with steam DRM while the pirates can get the drm free version? That's life. I dislike that if I want to buy pokemon cards from 10 years ago I have to pay triple the money than what other people paid. The backer exclusive content was made to reward the die hard fans that were willing to risk putting their money down (cases of the akuma clan facebook creator who put at least $5000) and letting strangers hold it for years before getting anything. It is the reason you even have the option to get anything in the first place whether the base version or anything extra they did. It is backers like me who should be upset for 505 breaking that promise, and they know they did which is why they try to explain and justify themselves so much in this update. The DRM comparison you made is invalid. Pirates are gonna be pirates anyway. When you go grocery shopping to you get mad all the time because maybe some people stole and got away with it? If steam ever promised they wouldn't do DRM in your customer to service provider contract and they did, then you can be mad. It isn't the same thing at all.
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Post by saberwolf94 on May 27, 2019 10:59:25 GMT -6
In reference to digital backer rewards compared (in value) to excusivity, to be fair, if it is the case that things like OSTs or pdf versions of the artbook will be free online sooner rather than later, isn't that also the case with "exclusive" content? Like, say 505 had never gone back on the exclusivity thing and the IGA boss and Swordwhip were still only given to original 60 dollar backers rather than 28 backers or new folks, If that were so, it would be pretty easy for modders to just unlock them and then give them to everyone for free, or for the "backer exclusive" version of the game to end up on torrent sites, depending on what method the devs would have used to gate the content. It may have taken more time to rip in-game content than it would be to make copies of the OST or artbook pdfs, but not by very much--these days, I would give pirates only a week at most to completely bypass any attempt at digital gatekeeping. So it's not obvious to me why or how the exclusivity of the special boss or swordwhip necessarily outweighs the value of a digital OST, retro strategy guide, and (potentially) pdf of the artbook. My main man :purify: mentioned to Arikado that I had brought up possibly giving 60 dollar backers a pdf version of the artbook to make up for the swordwhip and boss no longer being exclusive (at the moment it's only a softcover and hardcover available to higher tiers). The reason I mention this is that such rewards are common among other kickstarters and are generally held to be a good deal. For instance, I also backed Blasphemous, and they offered a pdf of their game's artbook as well: As you can see, the 40 dollar tier offers a pdf of the artbook, along with a variety of other digital rewards (namely alpha builds and access to backer-only parts of the discord, which ended up being sort of a pain in the butt for everyone, but that's a longer story). That's a 15 dollar difference to the lower tier, which was 25 dollars for the game, soundtrack, and access (I think) to some backer-only parts of the discord. No Blasphemous backer I'm aware of has ever complained that the Blasphemous artbook pdf will be available for free in pretty short order. Thus, it seems to me a reasonable compromise: A pdf of the Bloodstained artbook would have at least 10 dollars of value given the comparative prices of the Blasphemous tiers I just mentioned (a 15 dollar difference beween the 25 and 40 tiers), and that isn't even mentioning how the Bloodstained artbook will probably be bigger and have more famous artists represented in it (such as Mana <3) than the Blasphemous one. And it doesn't take away from the value of the higher tiers either, since actual physical artbooks have an inherent value to them that pdfs lack. Again, to take the Blasphemous example, the 60 dollar tier (which I got, by the by) provides a printed version of the artbook, indicating that physical copies of an artbook are worth 20 dollars more than digital ones, and about 30 dollars in and of themselves overall (if we take a digital copy of the book to be worth 10). So, let's compare what backers would be getting under my suggestion: 28 dollar backers: Game, plus soundtrack (10$), plus IGA content (10$) mean they'd have to pay a total of 48 dollars to get a comparable amount of content, straight-up. 40 dollar retail buyers: They get a 15 dollar steelbook, so let's add that as a credit and say they're paying 25 dollars for the game. Plus 10 bucks for the soundtrack and 10 bucks for the IGA content, let's say they end up paying 45 dollars to get what they want. Now, 60 dollar backers under the Gunlord Plan: Let's say they're getting 28 dollars of value for the game (since that's what the 28 backers got), plus 10 dollars of value for the IGA content and 10 dollars of value for the OST. So they're at 48 dollars of value right now, which still put them underwater by 12 dollars. But then let's add in the 10 dollars of value for the strategy guide PDF, which puts them at 58 dollars of value. They're still behind by 2 dollars, but if we add in 10 dollars (at least) for a pdf of the artbook, they get a total of 68 dollars worth of value, which seems quite reasonable to me. And again, if you want to say that pdfs of the strategy guide and the prospective artbook wouldn't be worth anything because they'll be available for free online, you can say the same thing about the "exclusive" content, which would have been extracted by miners and/or pirates in very short order. The nice thing about this plan is that 505 and Artplay could very easily implement it. Making the drawings for an artbook due to the hard work of the arists is the hard part. Once you've got that down, making a pdf is easy-peasy and oughtn't require more than a couple of days of work (at the VERY most) from an Artplay employee. So it seems like an easy way to smooth some ruffled feathers around here and get things back on track. Pirates are gonna be pirates. Regardless if that happened, I certainly wouldn't be able to blame 505 for this as it wouldn't be their fault. But now they've lost my trust. If there is a next time I'll wait at the end like the average consumer.
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Post by saberwolf94 on May 27, 2019 10:47:10 GMT -6
saberwolf94 "You're basically saying what almost everyone has said that wants to defend 505 like they're your brother or something." I'm NOT defending and/or justifying 505 or Artplay actions, but my point is they didn't break any american law by making this decisions and last minute changes. Because you didn't read my complete post, here's a summary of my wall of text: "know 505 have committed a lot of mistakes, and the Mac/Linux situation was unfair, but that matter has already been addressed (and solved in a way) by the means of giving the affected the option to change the digital copy to physical (MAC/LINUX BACKERS ONLY), so they can sell it and get more money that they had been pledged, because of the exclusive physical swag." "I am a backer too, ($125 tier), and I was affected with the Vita port cancellation (I bought a Vita specifically to play Bloodstained: RotN), but I'm not shouting: SCAM! LAWSUIT! LIARS! I WILL PIRATE YOUR GAME! I WILL NEVER BACK A IGA/505 GAME AGAIN! and so on, at the slightest provocation like some of the backers affected by the Mac/Linux/Vita, the FuturePak steel case and the DLC situation." "Let me clear that I’m not defending 505 and/or ArtPlay actions, but I think some of the backers (fortunately, they are a very small vocal minority) are making a storm in a glass of water, and obviously I'm saying some of the backers, and not all of them, because there are well indented and reasonable arguments being said on the aforementioned platform, so this isn’t a call to censorship." TL;DR - The things as they are, What 505 was done was disappointing and unfair, but at least they are trying to solved this situation, and obviously I'm playing devil's advocate here. - 505/ArtPlay didn't break any american laws. - 505/ArtPlay aren't my brothers, nor my lovers, nor my husbandos, nor my gods, and I think marrying with a company is one for the stupidest things you can do. - It's OK to be angry, upset, disappointed or been cautiously excited for the game. - Obviously this is just my opinion and you can putting in the trash and burning with hellfire if you want, I really don't care at this point. You seem to realize that wasn't right (regarding backers, business wise what they does make sense) but you want to stress that they didn't break laws etc. and I wonder if this is even a serious argument. It has nothing to do with the matter and when you say something like this I can only interpret that you're trying to defend them to some extend even though you claim you aren't. You're right I didn't read your entire post but I did skim through it, I'll just say that I highly disagree with many points made there and from the tone of your writing I'd made some deductions. I chose to address only the point that mattered the most for me, hence why I didn't quote your entire post. Regarding 505 trying to fix the situation, I don't know where did you come with this, it's another example of making you seem to be in two camps at once, you didn't even say they "might" and quite frankly I don't care about the backer content not being exclusive anymore, they can give it away free for all care. My only concern is not losing extra money on import fees and taxes as an overseas backer now that they've changed the shipment from 1 to 3.
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Post by saberwolf94 on May 26, 2019 7:38:25 GMT -6
I came here to voice my disappointment with the false advertising/dishonesty. That doesn't even have anything to do with any opinions. You can love the company and accept dishonest and sleazy practices all you want. I'm at least smart enough to know it's fruitless to try and stop anyone that is so biased from doing that. But that's not going to change the fact that they false advertised, and I haven't seen any real "engagement to the contrary". All I've seen are insults and/or disingenuous strawman arguments such as "you didn't lose any content". Eventually the posts in this particular thread progressed to you accusing me of saying you didn't read the thread (which I obviously wouldn't know, doesn't even matter, and didn't even have anything to do with what I was conveying) and trying to paint me as being "inappropriate". It's bizarre, even for an official video game forum. Warning: Upcoming wall of text. About the “false advertising” argument, the Kickstarter rage and other stuff.Playing the "false advertising card" it's unfair because of the unpredictable and mutable nature of the Kickstarter projects, the Bloodstained: RotN project isn't the exception to the rule, and sorry for being too obvious but before crowfunding a project, you must be aware of all the risks, challenges, changes and inconveniences that can be presented. Knowing all of this, you will save yourself a lot of misunderstandings, problems, and headaches in the future. Tell me in which part, row or paragraph in the Kickstarter terms of use document says: if you don't meet ALL the BACKER TIERS, MILESTONES, PROMISES, or if you CHANGE something in your Kickstarter project, you, your company and all your employees will burn in hell for the rest of the eternity because of violation of the terms and conditions of the Satan Kickstarter contract. Also, Kickstarter isn't a purchase, a pre-order, an inversion, or a rent: it's a gamble (or a donation if you prefer); basically you're gambling your hard-earned money to an idea that you want to become into fruition, and sometimes, there are unexpected turns and bumps on the road. Fortunately, most of the Bloodstained: RotN changes have being pretty good IMO, and the best of all is we will get an even better game than before. Kickstarter is an ideas casino and sometimes you get the thing you really want, but sometimes you get an awful or a half-backed product, or even worst; you don't get anything (perhaps a crappy demo, or a shirt if you are lucky.), so be aware of all that. With Bloodstained: RotN you will get a full game, and with lots of extra content in the not-so-distant future. You're basically saying what almost everyone has said that wants to defend 505 like they're your brother or something. I've heard this numerous times already. You are absolutely correct that by the loose and easy going nature of no consequences on kickstarter they can change their mind, it's a donation not an exact pre-order like you've said in essence and they have chosen to go that route. I have accepted that reality and learnt my lesson. It might be a small price to pay for them I know, but if they do make a future kickstarter again there is no incentive for me to back it, it's in my best interest to buy whatever I choose after it's available. I will also state my experience, my thoughts on this whole thing and anyone that never backed a project can weigh themselves the ups and downs and if the want to be treated like I and other backers were. That's all I can do at the end of the day, tell my experience like it is to any future backer of anything and it's up to them at that point. 505 brought this on themselves and it's a small price to pay if you ask me. I want to let the matter rest but you "defenders" really don't like the fact that if you're not unhappy then we shouldn't be either. You don't want any negative connotation, you want to convince people like me that what they've done is no problem but you cannot deny the facts. You don't have to tell that "backing is a gamble" like I didn't know what I was getting into. I'm a man that takes someone on their word. They did what they have to do to increase the chances of the game being hit, good on them and I'll do what I have to do that's good for me. You can't have it both ways. This isn't the only issue, and in fact it's a small one compared to what more overseas backers like me will have to deal with. With the shipment changing from 1 to at least 3 it makes things complicated with import fees and custom charges and I have no clue how this is going to be handled by 505 or fangamer. You could say that's another promise that was broken, they could have waited one or two months more if they weren't ready, hardly makes a difference at this point but the agenda to make the game a hit naturally will have to take priority. I hope they prove me wrong because I don't want to lose money for nothing I've already paid $365 but so far I haven't received any answer from fangamer or 505.
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Post by saberwolf94 on May 25, 2019 14:13:10 GMT -6
I do not. That would be a question best left to Angel or Question if you would like to tag them about it. I've already messaged Question and fangamer about this, just thought I'd randomly ask since you're one of the higher ups.
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Post by saberwolf94 on May 25, 2019 7:41:21 GMT -6
Do you have any information regarding how fees and import taxes will be handled for overseas backers? The shipment has now changed from 1 to at least 3, base game, backer collectables and another separate shipment for the amano poster.
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Post by saberwolf94 on May 25, 2019 7:32:50 GMT -6
I spent about $90 CAD to back at the $60 tier. So I could have waited until release to get the exact same thing (retail game + the DLC) for less money?! The game looks great, but there have been so many disappointments along the way: the delays, cancellations, now this... I really hope this game delivers. I have no doubts the game will deliver, it's not about that. The process is getting really messy, I'm currently waiting for fangamer or 505 to answer my questions regarding custom fees and import taxes for Cyprus since now the plan has changed from 1 shipment to 3 for those of us who backed the $300 and over tier. I've already paid quite a lot for shipping already, I don't want to pay extra money for nothing, especially since they've made almost everything so easily available now even the backer exclusive content. The plan was for one shipment, if they weren't ready yet they should have launched in July or August or something, it wouldn't make that much difference at this point.
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Post by saberwolf94 on May 24, 2019 8:40:22 GMT -6
The "greater good" is a completely subjective matter as not having access to a bit of content wouldn't be the end of the world for any non backer buying this now unless they have strong feelings of entitlement which is common these days. It is clear that the mentality of the backers that say this goes along the lines of "if this is is a sacrifice that will boost the sales, reach a wide audience and help make the game a hit I'm willing to accept the promise being broken since I don't lose anything anyway". Let me tell you something I want this to be a hit as much as the next guy but I'm not gonna go to bat for someone when they betray my trust, I suppose I respect myself more than you and others, it's a matter of having some pride and dignity. I know this sounds harsh but what you're saying is essentially "they walked all over me a bit but I'll let this slide".
When it comes to this being a gamble you're right, when you trust someone that's entirely your decision and it's perfectly possible that you could be betrayed. However, passing that test means it's likely to trust that person again in the future. Failing that means the exact opposite. You're right it was a gamble and since they decided to switch things up I won't back any future project since I can just get whatever I want at the end, no need for the to hold my money for so long.
About your last point, I don't feel I lost $32 I don't know who came up with this random number the base game is now $40 $50 with the dlc so at best we lose $10 at least that's how I worked up the math. However, I'm not being childish, in fact it's the opposite, I'm man enough not to take any unjust compromises regardless of how awesome I think the game is going to be, I'm a die hard fan of IGA but not a fanboy to defend anything especially actions assaulting my dignity.
At the end of the day they made their decision and I know where my stance is if they ever make another kickstarter. To be honest my real worry is about the multiple shipments, I live in Cyprus so this makes things complicated with extra fees I'll probably have to pay, this is what will really made me angry. You could say that's YET another promise that's been broken, Angel Corlux clearly stated this wouldn't happen on the duel screen podcast.
Yea, listen I regret you have so little of an opinion of me and my level self respect, but let's be clear, I and other ASKED and wanted the exclusivity to be dropped, this is not a backers vs. non-backers issue, my trust wasn't betrayed I was always against any exclusive content even during the Kickstarter. Now if you want to think that that means I'm a fool or that I have no self respect that's your prerogative. The greater good is indeed subjective but this is in no way viewed as a sacrifice by many, it's no skin off of my knuckles if a non backer gets to play the IGA superboss I actually would be more proud of myself for backing the project that more people get to enjoy that lil extra bit of game along with me, I know a YouTuber who is planning on streaming the entire game and when I watch him beat the IGA super boss I'm gonna say to him and everyone else in the chat... yea I helped make this happen and it's gonna be awesome. Despite all that I do sincerely regret you feel frustrated and betrayed as you say, I don't share that viewpoint, because you backed a new IGA game being made and your getting that game, your getting everything you expected to get, with exclusivity being dropped is all, that sucks that it bothers you but your still getting everything you expected. I said $32 simply because at the $28 tier you have the non backer version of the game and at $60 you have the backer version there is a $32 dollar difference between the two. Regardless I'm not trying to call you childish or tell you how to feel, I've actually mentioned a couple times since the update that those that share similar thoughts as you are totally free to voices them and feel the way you feel, but I really don't agree that this is an assault on your dignity, not expecting that to matter to you just so you know. I do really hope that you get your things with minimal fuss and no extra fees. I will be right there with you saying it's not right if anyone expects you to have to pay for extra shipping/taxes because they decided to do it this way. I hope your still able to enjoy our game when you get it. This was a good post I accept that not all backers cared about the exclusive content to remain exclusive, even if I disagree.
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Post by saberwolf94 on May 24, 2019 4:50:10 GMT -6
When importing these two shipments, the tax import post office will ask me for a receipt and I will have to show the same receipt twice. OK, this is something I also would like to know. Since Kickstarter was a donation, it shouldn't legaly wise count as an ordinary purchase.. the items sent, aren't bought, they are more of a gift of gratitude.. (my english is a bit laggy here, I hope you get my point) Do we have to pay tax for them? ... This was my first KS Project with physical items, so I am a virgin on this. BTT About the negativity here.. oh man, up until that update, which in my eyes sounds sincere, everything up until now went smooth. So what has changed? ... Some small content, which was funded by us, can be purchased by anyone, who proly won't give a poop about, cause they won't even understand the meaning behind it.. wow, that's really hard.. I mean this won't make earth stop turning around, but hey.. this is like a world war 5 or something similar.. Why can't we just be happy? The most exciting KS-project is about to launch, why the hell do we need to get upset about something so trivial? I can only pity you guys.. peace It's not a s simple as this and honestly the backer content going non exclusive is whatever at this point. Living in Cyprus I'm worried about them splitting this to multiple shipments, at least 3 from what I gathered so far, the base game, the collectables and then the amano poster. I paid $65 shipping to fangamer I better not have to pay fees more than once.
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Post by saberwolf94 on May 24, 2019 4:35:20 GMT -6
saberwolf94 Nothing is gained by keeping the exclusivity... there I said it..... I know your point of view was that a promise has been broken but my point of view is that a promise that doesn't serve the greater good of making the best product possible isn't worth keeping. People within the backer community (myself included) did not want the content to remain exclusive and yes I can say it's invalid to say backers don't lose anything because it's true, the word "exclusive" is removed from the equation nothing more, you get all the content you were promised show me that this isn't true and I'll withdraw that point but you can't, you can tell me that your not happy about the decision and you regret backing at $60 when you could've gotten it cheaper but no matter how you feel about it your still going to be able to play everything you expected to be able to play when you get the game. The people that say "But I PAID $32 extra dollars for my exclusivity!" It's an investment not buying a finished product you should have known the risk and not gambled with more money then you felt comfortable losing. You still help make the game possible, you still got access to demo's and insider knowledge of the project, and the opportunity to help to shape the direction of the project. My point about the Wii U comparison was that there is a point where keeping a promise in detrimental to the greater whole. I am genuinely regretful that you feel like you got cheated but I'm glad things turned out the way they did. I for one think it's fine that you are complaining that you don't like whats being done, I don't think that that in itself is "petty or silly", however there are a great many of people that think like you do that are being childish and detrimental to the project now because they didn't get exactly what they wanted, (Neither have I in the past but I never told anyone to not buy the game or threatened to harm the projects success because of it) EDIT: I'm glad to hear your not one of those people but "I'M NOT going to apologize either for providing a counter voice when I believe that the best result happened. So in closing as I've said before we made an investment with good faith promises made, and for the most part those promises have been kept and that proves the "good faith bit" on 505's part, of all the things to be disappointed about with this campaign the loss of $32 4 years ago and the word exclusive on your tier, seems to me (I'm not asking you to agree) a minor loss in the grand scheme. The "greater good" is a completely subjective matter as not having access to a bit of content wouldn't be the end of the world for any non backer buying this now unless they have strong feelings of entitlement which is common these days. It is clear that the mentality of the backers that say this goes along the lines of "if this is is a sacrifice that will boost the sales, reach a wide audience and help make the game a hit I'm willing to accept the promise being broken since I don't lose anything anyway". Let me tell you something I want this to be a hit as much as the next guy but I'm not gonna go to bat for someone when they betray my trust, I suppose I respect myself more than you and others, it's a matter of having some pride and dignity. I know this sounds harsh but what you're saying is essentially "they walked all over me a bit but I'll let this slide".
When it comes to this being a gamble you're right, when you trust someone that's entirely your decision and it's perfectly possible that you could be betrayed. However, passing that test means it's likely to trust that person again in the future. Failing that means the exact opposite. You're right it was a gamble and since they decided to switch things up I won't back any future project since I can just get whatever I want at the end, no need for the to hold my money for so long.
About your last point, I don't feel I lost $32 I don't know who came up with this random number the base game is now $40 $50 with the dlc so at best we lose $10 at least that's how I worked up the math. However, I'm not being childish, in fact it's the opposite, I'm man enough not to take any unjust compromises regardless of how awesome I think the game is going to be, I'm a die hard fan of IGA but not a fanboy to defend anything especially actions assaulting my dignity.
At the end of the day they made their decision and I know where my stance is if they ever make another kickstarter. To be honest my real worry is about the multiple shipments, I live in Cyprus so this makes things complicated with extra fees I'll probably have to pay, this is what will really made me angry. You could say that's YET another promise that's been broken, Angel Corlux clearly stated this wouldn't happen on the duel screen podcast.
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