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Post by Cale on May 30, 2019 15:40:36 GMT -6
Well, I am not surprised. I won't be writing any scathing retorts to this update. But I am sad to see the community divided so. I hope everyone enjoys the game and what not, but I can't deal with this company anymore. Good luck to you all, guess I'm done here.
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Post by Dengojin on May 30, 2019 15:48:04 GMT -6
You should set up a Kickstarter for that Or take Angel-Corlux 's approach to companies that rip people off, maybe? Nah, stealing things from people is wrong, wouldn't you agree Angel-Corlux ?
I think you missed the point completely, but whatever. See that block button up there near my name? Give that a click if you don't like my criticism.
If you want to run the game on Wine or Milkshakes, it's up to you dude. Just stop calling people theives and keep victimizing yourself, as much as I was sympathizing with you at first, you're making it harder to understand what you even want anymore. The game is canceled on Vita, Wii U, Linux and Mac. If you want to "help" them create the Linux port, you may help with the other canceled ports as well while you're at it, since you're the people's hero. KS is an investement, you paid to help making the game and a certain goal couldn't be met unfortunately and I understand the frustration behind that, but you should know that backing a project =/= pre-ordering it.
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Post by hyugakojiro on May 30, 2019 15:48:58 GMT -6
Regarding our current development status, well, we are actually still working. We found a bad bug, and we're fixing it so that it can be patched in an update. Our physical copies seem less and less valuable in regards to being fully playable once the servers go down. I feel very unhappy. What happens if we backed for a japanese physical copy but reside elsewhere? Will these shipments also be delayed? Totally agree with this sentiment.
The game is available on GoG DRM free so you should be able to make your own back-up disc with all the content once released but that only covers the PC version of the game and not any of the other platforms.
I get that 505 needs to cash in on this game ASAP but it still leaves a bad taste in your mouth regardless. Same affair with CotM not being on the RotN disc. At least we were able to buy it through Limited Run Games but if you ask me that should have been part of the physical package.
Oh well, at least the game isn't shaping up the be a turd like MN9. Who knows maybe they can bundle a completed first game with the sequel if the game does well enough commercially.
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Post by crazyec24 on May 30, 2019 15:51:12 GMT -6
they’ve been honest, and have made no material misrepresentations in their communication to backers This is where the rules have been broken. There's no bug, no middleware problem, the demos ran fine on Wine and they have not shown any evidence that they have even TRIED to run native, nor can they even do something basic like name a UE4 plug-in that doesn't work. The "middleware problem" doesn't exist and is ENTIRELY an invention of 505's management to eliminate platforms they think aren't profitable. Even the 505 employees on this board said they "hope it will just work on WINE" - which really proves the complete lack of effort.
But we'll see in a couple weeks just how serious their middleware problem is, won't we?
Question, are you a dev? So you can't possibly know if they were having major issues that led to the cancellation of the linux/mac versions.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 15:56:59 GMT -6
Just want to say that I would love a wallpaper sized version of that picture of Miriam playing the Piano.
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Post by purifyweirdshard on May 30, 2019 15:58:16 GMT -6
Question Why don't all backers get the PS4 theme for free? I paid the same as them. Why do they get bonus items when nobody else does? Also a friend of mine asked about if there would be no DRM on the steam version and you never responded. All PS4 backers do get the theme. It is mentioned in the update today. I'm not 100% on this, but I believe I've seen that DRM question answered myself - Steamworks is all that it has, if I remember right, or at least Denuvo was completely ruled out. It would make sense to only have Steam's default as there's a GOG version.
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Post by demiurgos on May 30, 2019 15:58:18 GMT -6
Who knows maybe they can bundle a completed first game with the sequel if the game does well enough commercially.
I know we will probably be paying for the same game twice, but a complete on cart/disc copy down the line would be a kind gesture. This will also make 505 some more money.
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Post by Aztec on May 30, 2019 16:00:02 GMT -6
Hey thanks for the update. People on Kickstarter are being ridiculous with the talk about lawsuits. Anyway, I have two questions: 1. Apparently it will only release on the 21st of June in my country. Will I still receive a temporary steam key on the 18th? 2. Will the savegames from those temporary steam keys carry over into the permanent game once it has been shipped and activated? Question Angel-Corlux Are we splitting hairs over a 3 day delay? I can’t wait for the meltdown when physical game shipments arrive a couple of days late to thousands of people. How long before the Kickstarter commenters start threatening a class action suit because FedEx took a day longer to deliver than expected? Im $125 in the hole on this project and im not expecting to get the game delivered to my doorstep on day 1 or day 2. Basically anything less than 5 days because if Amazon can fudge deliveries so can Fangamer and that’s okay.
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Post by Aztec on May 30, 2019 16:04:59 GMT -6
I've already submitted a complaint to the California Attorney General's office (where 505 games is incorporated) and I encourage everyone else who finds what 505's done here unacceptable to do the same. You can fill out the form here to send a complaint.You may also want to complain to the FTC - I will be working on doing that later today. Whether 505 likes it or not, every backer was entitled to a Linux and Mac version of the game and genuinely exclusive content, and 505's stolen these things from you to enrich themselves. It's even more disappointing to see Iga himself buy into 505's "Kickstarter promises aren't REAL promises" crap. I'm not letting this sour me on Kickstarter, though. It wasn't Kickstarter's fault. It's 505's greed. Set up a go fund me and I promise you I will chip in to refund you the whopping $60 you donated to this project so you can be happy and stop this campaign of yours here.
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Post by browren on May 30, 2019 16:07:56 GMT -6
If you want to run the game on Wine or Milkshakes, it's up to you dude. Just stop calling people theives and keep victimizing yourself Angel-Corlux literally admitted in the previous KS update that he's pirated software himself. That makes him a thief. Unless you, a moderator, are saying that piracy ISN'T theft, or he'd like to bother to show up to defend himself, I don't see how you can claim otherwise. I think he's very foolish to suggest, given the things that he's done to backers, that pirating a game because you disagree with how a company has treated you is okay. A - a refund or B - proof they ever actually tried to make a linux port You think you're being funny, but that's actually not a bad idea. It's easy enough to build the various UE4 engines, so maybe I will see if I can just build native versions for other platforms. I'm sure, given their colossal failure at supporting over half of the platforms they initially promised, that they'd welcome the help, right? KS is a contract, the rules are plain as day on their site, and I've already been over this with other people. They're lying about having a bug, and I'll be more than happy to prove it in a few weeks when the game is released.
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Post by Aztec on May 30, 2019 16:10:26 GMT -6
So, no, you're not willing to spend $60 on the game + Backer perks + Soundtrack + COTM. That kind of says everything, doesn't it? I thought you had promised XombieMike very recently ago you’d take your complaints to Twitter and stop doing it here. And you agreed. And seeing how that went nowhere it means your word is as meaningless as those from whom you’re accusing of not keeping theirs then.
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Post by XombieMike on May 30, 2019 16:18:55 GMT -6
The lack of respect to one another is making me want to temp ban everyone with a negative post. Like some mom flailing their arm around at the back seat while driving because she doesn't know what kid started it but she's just gonna start smacking.
Everyone chill out.
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Post by browren on May 30, 2019 16:20:53 GMT -6
Question, are you a dev? So you can't possibly know if they were having major issues that led to the cancellation of the linux/mac versions. I'm a linux developer with some UE4 experience. The two demos they released on Windows ran absolutely fine on with WINE doing (the equivalent of) Windows emulation, which means they could easily have been built natively, had anyone at 505 wanted to bother to do so.
It's pretty simple: Wine is middleware that takes calls made from Windows-native code, and maps them to equivalent Linux-native code. Since that works, then it's a simple matter of taking those Linux-native modules, and linking it to the Windows-native code directly instead, resulting in a Linux binary.
Furthermore, UE4 is a cross-platform game engine, and the vast majority of the code and plug-ins are made so they can be built for more than one platform.
Do you really think that if they had any legitimate bug like that, they wouldn't have shut me up by now by being more specific?
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 16:28:36 GMT -6
Man. I made this account 4 years ago, and then disapeared until this week, and this is the kinda hate/trolling I have to read about all over the forum? *Sigh.
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Post by browren on May 30, 2019 16:32:11 GMT -6
I thought you had promised XombieMike very recently ago you’d take your complaints to Twitter and stop doing it here. And you agreed. And seeing how that went nowhere it means your word is as meaningless as those from whom you’re accusing of not keeping theirs then. I did take it to Twitter, and I've gotten exactly the same kind of response that I got on Discord: zip.
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Post by Aztec on May 30, 2019 16:33:38 GMT -6
I thought you had promised XombieMike very recently ago you’d take your complaints to Twitter and stop doing it here. And you agreed. And seeing how that went nowhere it means your word is as meaningless as those from whom you’re accusing of not keeping theirs then. I did take it to Twitter, and I've gotten exactly the same kind of response that I got on Discord: zip. And now we have to pay the price. Got it. EDIT: I’m serious about the gofundme. Let’s get you that $60 back because good luck asking for $60 in damages in a court of law.
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Post by saberwolf94 on May 30, 2019 16:40:09 GMT -6
Hey thanks for the update. People on Kickstarter are being ridiculous with the talk about lawsuits. Anyway, I have two questions: 1. Apparently it will only release on the 21st of June in my country. Will I still receive a temporary steam key on the 18th? 2. Will the savegames from those temporary steam keys carry over into the permanent game once it has been shipped and activated? Question Angel-Corlux I have been told that the answer both of those questions is 'yes'. Question, I sent you an email regarding import fees and taxes for overseas backers like me now that the shipment has been split to 3 for backers in the higher tiers getting the collectables and the amano poster. I imagine you have your hands full right now but I hope somebody answers my questions soon, it's been 9 days already and neither 505 or fangamer has addressed me on this.
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Post by browren on May 30, 2019 16:41:25 GMT -6
I did take it to Twitter, and I've gotten exactly the same kind of response that I got on Discord: zip. And now we have to pay the price. Got it. That happens when you volunteer to be 505's human shield on their public forum. You can blame Fangamer too:
> Unfortunately ArtPlay and 505 Games are not offering refunds, so we > are only able to change your platform. You can provide further > feedback to the team directly by posting on the Official Bloodstained > Forum or the Bloodstained Discord server.
Question even told you that you don't need to defend them, but you still do so regardless. I think it's pretty interesting how you always seem to need to throw in your two cents about how infallible and perfect 505 is. So do they pay you or what?
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Post by hiro on May 30, 2019 16:41:45 GMT -6
hiro Do you even have a PS4 to use the theme on? Yes I do but when a game is multi platform I usually get it on my substantially more powerful PC.
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Post by hiro on May 30, 2019 16:48:37 GMT -6
Question Why don't all backers get the PS4 theme for free? I paid the same as them. Why do they get bonus items when nobody else does? Also a friend of mine asked about if there would be no DRM on the steam version and you never responded. All PS4 backers do get the theme. It is mentioned in the update today. I'm not 100% on this, but I believe I've seen that DRM question answered myself - Steamworks is all that it has, if I remember right, or at least Denuvo was completely ruled out. It would make sense to only have Steam's default as there's a GOG version. First I mention PC so obviously I did not ask for a PS4 version. I own a PS4 so I feel should be getting all the same things as them since I paid the same. I own multiple games on steam that do not have steamworks DRM. They said they wanted no reason for piracy but this is one so they should remove it since steamworks is a joke anyway. This is big deal to me since I am getting a PC physical version of the game.
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