Update #42: Weapons and animations!

Flintlocks totally fit the time period of the 1700's a boss with a modern mini gun attached to its arm doesn't.

They did have a Gatling gun in the 1800s but still I see nothing wrong with the guns Miriam uses.

lol, man I love revolvers and I was just reading up on them in this time period. We'd miss the Single Action Army by about 100 years, but there were flintlock revolvers being made as early as the 1810s. I did see that Germany produced a type of matchlock revolver long gun way back in the late 1500s, but they were rare/expensive novelty weapons.

Yes...six-gun for Miriam! I'm down. It's not -that- much of a stretch. If centerfire ammunition is a thing in the game, then I'd say we're good to go.

And I looked into the Japanese Arquebuse that Viftech had mentioned, and they seem to use black powder for ammunition, similar to that of the flintlock.



Now obviously those are two very different types of ammunition, so I was thinking about it, and I think that it is very likely that we will be able to purchase standard ammo from whatever shop that Bloodstained contains, but I'm also hoping that we will be able to synthesize different types of ammo with alchemy as well. I also hope that one can create ammunitions that have different attributes attached to them. For example, bullets that deal fire damage, or perhaps bullets that have a bludgeoning attribute, rather than a piecing. Maybe bullets that inflict status ailments as well?

Another point to bring up is that the guns will probably have different stats depending on what type of gun and ammunition are used. Anything akin to a pistol will likely use bullets and shoot rather rapidly, whereas anything akin to an arquebuse or shotgun will likely be much slower.

And what of reloading? Will that be a factor as well? Or will it be a cumulative effect, and Miriam will simply be able to shoot until her ammo runs out? So many questions...


Arquebuse information: l-clausewitz.livejournal.com/221137.html


Edit: Oh! I meant to say that the Arquebuse uses a matchlock firing system, and that the ammunition is lead balls, similar to that of the aforementioned flintlock, or the shotgun. (With the exception that a shot gun doesn't use a matchlock firing system)

I'm for a simplified ammunition-system. For the sake of elegance in gameplay let us directly shoot money (for example lose 1 unit of money per shot fired) instead of having to juggle various ammunition types per weapon and needing to go back to the store every time you're out of ammo. Just skip that annoying step by simply letting us shoot the Money that we would otherwise spend on bullets anyway.
Also I'd say it would be best to omit reloading or at least have no extra button for reloading. It'd probably be okay to have the shoot-button reload after a certain amount of shots instead of shooting again. This COULD be used for balancing if done right. It might feel sort of unresponsive though so if that extra balancing proves unneccessary I'd be against needing to reload just for realism's sake.
I prefer sleek gameplay over realistic gun-simulation. Especially in a game like Bloodstained which is not mainly about guns.

The shoes, whip and gun are the only weapon types that doesn't mention if they are single-handed or two-handed, so we will maybe have to expect that they will require different playstyles or have different power depending on what kind of handling that weapon needs.So these weapons may need a shield or another weapon alongside it to be useful if they are single-handed.

Since the guns we have seen so far are single-handed, meaning they will require some weapon or shield with them as well, alongside the limited ammo (or amount of bullets fired before reloading).

There is somethings else to be talked about regarding usefulness of long range weapons compared to magic attacks. Since bullets are used it's along the same line as magic, can we expect guns to be as powerful or weaker than long range magic attacks due to similar limited fashion and range?

Great update overall, really liking the design choices here. I only wish that the animations were a tad faster and they had knuckle weapons as well. Still though, I'm nerding out on all this stuff.

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just kidding lol (this was for CastleDan) but I really do want to know if she will be able to dual wield some guns... what if there are twin guns? they have to be used together... um... or else (sorry can't make anything up right now lol I had a long night). but yeah I wanna see her dual wield... something, anything.

yeah Iga wants to keep some things a secret. I doubt he will spoil everything for us, it wouldn't be like him. I wonder what those other weapons are though...

I do wonder what else they will talk about. As mentioned earlier if they still plan to launch in Match we will have updates for: August, September, October, November, December, January and February. So 7, unless they release one last update during the actual launch month. This, of course, is assuming they do not push back the launch, which they probably will but for the sake of my speculation I will operate under the assumption they will launch in March and February will be the final backer update. (A celebratory March update on launch day seems likely and reasonable, I will add).

-I'm betting this Halloween we will get the IGA cosplay we won all those months ago. It likely will not be the focus of an update however
-One of these updates will also be either mostly, or probably entirely centered around the Steam/Gog demo. November-January seems like the time to expect this: far enough from the E3 demo to really show progress but also far enough from launch for feedback to be meaningful. Launching the Demo on Halloween would be fantastic timing but i highly doubt it will be ready that soon (just think: the Demo and IGA's cosplay on Halloween. What an October that would be)
-One update will almost certainly focus on feedback for the demo

So shaving off 2/7 updates for Demo and related feedback would give them 5 updates to play with between now and launch. What do you think will be shown? I'd bet familiars will be one of them easily. Also one about the conditions for the physical launch of the game: will they hold it until 100% or launch physical and digital together? Perhaps an update detailing multiplayer and the additional modes like Classic and Roguelike seems feasible. 

(I almost feel like I should have started a speculation thread with all this theorycrafting XD)