Bloodstained Graphics Discussion.

Colorful doesnt necessarily mean cartoony, just look at medieval and renaissance art, theyre super colorful and it could be a battlefield full of death and destruction

Colorful, but not cartoony.  Like this?


I've been saying this for the last little bit.  Bloodstained's look should be like Trine 2.  And for the most part, the concept art posted above and the images from Shader 1 seem pretty close.  They still need some work, but they are headed in the right direction, IMO.

Just for the record, these images were to judge shaders. For all we know the cameras depth of field could be completely different. However, I think it's not a stretch to imagine that is exactly what they are going towards. Our opinions will certainly be heard.

Order of Ecclesia was a return to the painting style who looked way better than a mere anime. Dawn of Sorrow looked like Anime and Portrait of ruin but this art don't look anything like those. This looks more like Order of Ecclesia.

Yeah, I knew it was going to be 2.5D in advance. My bad for not stating that.  It was just a general comment.
Perhaps disappointed isn't the right word.  Using 3D allows for more freedom and eases effort in putting extra detail to backgrounds.
From the screenshots of the rooms, the backgrounds look cool.  I personally like the one with the red over the grey, but if they made it a teeny bit darker, like blended both.

I posted this on the Bloodstained Kickstarter page’s latest post a while back, and I don’t think it made its way here. (Whereas I saw some of the images here later posted on the Kickstarter page.) It is another take on the mood/tone for the lighting of the room by an associate of mine: bit.ly/1R5mA6w (This was a quick edit, and the light streams were just an optional, rough effect in terms of brainstorming extra details.) The main focus here was making the atmosphere moodier.) I think it's another example that moves us closer to what we may be looking for.

You've got it. You are a genius, this is so damn right that I have no words to describe how awesome and amazing this is. Please send it right now to the development team.

Well, yes, I agree that there needs to be variety. (That's why I think Shader 1 is better than Shader 2 overall, as it has more versatility. This newer example I put up was based on the basics of Shader 1.) That said, I just want to make sure that it has a good amount of the "eerie Gothic-Horror" vibe IGA had in his announcement video from that real-life castle he filmed in. And, given that this is a genre game, I'd like some cohesion, even with brighter/more colorful areas in terms of what feelings we are supposed to get.

Ciel: Thanks. I posted on the Kickstarter page, and I sent the link in the Google survey the team offered us all. That's about all I can do, I think.

Astaroth: I like what you said about location in terms of lighting. I think each area can vary in terms of how it's lit, so long as we get some sense of cohesion in the shader and the overall mood the game will project in its diverse areas.

    Seriously! What happened with the whole shaders debacle?! I would really like to know! On the general comments section of the KickStarter, a lot of what you see is complaining about the art style the two shaders presented. I have my own issues with the shaders but that's beside the point; my point is: what do you want? People are complaining that the shaders are too cartoonish and yet they want it to look as close to the concept art as possible. Well, what do you want? If you want it to look as close to the concept art as possible, it is going to look like a cartoon. If you don't want it to look like a cartoon, it's not going to look like the concept art. 

    The point of this rant is, please, make up your minds. Opening game development to public opinion is a double-edged sword. It allows the developers to test the waters and yet it also opens the floodgate for some pointless infighting between fans. This would result in the developer trying to have both sides meet each other half way and the end result is almost never the best of both. I like the openness into the game development process; it's all well and good, but I think there needs to be a point where IGA puts his foot down and says "this is definitely or definitely not going to be this way. Stop fighting." and it starts with making up your minds about the art direction and the shaders. Trying to please everyone will please no one, and I'm sure IGA understands this. So please, stop 'uttering the same nonsense.' "It's too cartoonish." "Why does it not look like (insert name of heavily cell-shaded game here)?" I've had enough.