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Post by Scars Unseen on May 31, 2019 16:25:29 GMT -6
ReySol Anyone can post there, but the terrible formatting, lack of tools and absence of any ability to moderate discussion makes it a terrible place to do so, trending to a quality of conversation somewhat worse than your average Youtube comment section. I stopped posting there once I understood it was just a shouting match between a bunch of Karens (and this is far from the only Kickstarter I've backed where this has been the case). I don't feel there's any point to joining in, so I stick to other sites. I'm not the only backer who has done this. You may notice that where people actually have the ability to contest and criticize both the substance and delivery of these complaints, they have done so. In particular, the more childish complainers on Reddit consistently get downvoted into oblivion. On this site, there are people consistently being criticized for the way they are pursuing their complaints, where as on KS, there is no meaningful way to do so. There is no one to tell people to constrain their single topic complaints to a single thread about said topic, nor is there any way for someone to create such a thread in the first place. It's just one big disorganized mess that is generally unpleasant to navigate and use. @bloodymiri There may be scalpers buying directly from retailers(but in other cases, there have been a surplus of steelbooks, so maybe not), but the ones being made available directly to the backers will be sold only one per backer(as per this update). The limited availability is still going to make getting one a crapshoot(maybe: past participation in surveys indicates fewer people may be paying attention to this sort of thing than you might think), but there's no worry of someone exacerbating the issue by swooping in and buying all of them out from under us.
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Post by ovenkitty on May 31, 2019 16:27:12 GMT -6
-using the condescending tone with table of values of each "reward" to justify the release of backer exclusive DLC first day for everyone (also, slipcase is worth 10 USD?) This too. |
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Post by purifyweirdshard on May 31, 2019 16:41:00 GMT -6
ReySol Anyone can post there, but the terrible formatting, lack of tools and absence of any ability to moderate discussion makes it a terrible place to do so, trending to a quality of conversation somewhat worse than your average Youtube comment section. I stopped posting there once I understood it was just a shouting match between a bunch of Karens (and this is far from the only Kickstarter I've backed where this has been the case). I don't feel there's any point to joining in, so I stick to other sites. I'm not the only backer who has done this. You may notice that where people actually have the ability to contest and criticize both the substance and delivery of these complaints, they have done so. In particular, the more childish complainers on Reddit consistently get downvoted into oblivion. On this site, there are people consistently being criticized for the way they are pursuing their complaints, where as on KS, there is no meaningful way to do so. There is no one to tell people to constrain their single topic complaints to a single thread about said topic, nor is there any way for someone to create such a thread in the first place. It's just one big disorganized mess that is generally unpleasant to navigate and use. Yeah. I explained the experience and functionality of that place being near useless a while ago here: bloodstained.forums.net/post/62694There has been one upgrade since then - you can actually reply to a comment and it sends an email notification to you that there's a reply. Amazing. Everything else still holds true - there are some good (though mostly bad) comments and good answers to common questions hidden behind "load more comments" clicks that would take you until after the game comes out to get to. A certain amount of backers INSIST on only using this medium, though, so it amounts to us answering the same mundane things an infinite amount of times with not even an ability to link a previous answer (short of uploading screenshots of previous answers to one's external account and posting the URL there, which I have done, even today lol). Moderation is also still non-existent Indivisible had the right idea. They told their fans "don't use this to talk to us, we're not going to look at it", and it's funny how with that and much less frequent communication, their backers are completely cool with it all. We on the other hand created a monster of constant flow of communication in all areas, which is also somehow at the same time not ever frequent/good enough for some. The old adage remains, you can't please everyone. Disclaimer: I'm speaking as a fan who helps out a lot, not as an official staff member, because I'm not that. |
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Post by roguedragon05 on May 31, 2019 17:12:11 GMT -6
And this kinda mentality in the fandom is why companies have always created walls and barriers around themselves from the fans.
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Post by Dragon_of_Dojima on May 31, 2019 18:02:35 GMT -6
The real meat of this update update honestly feels like more of the same from the last update, which was a mess and a half already. I said my piece in the last thread like many others, so there's no need to go into again. I will say that the launch will be absolutely nerve-racking for super fans that care too much about IGN reviews and first-responders on Steam. To those people, I'm going to preemptively say relax as things tend to balance out throughout the week. I've already given up the hope that there won't be a first day patch, so if they missed something huge it could be squashed faster than the recent Blood: Fresh Supply remaster. As for Zangetsu being playable? Fantastic, he was top of the list next to GEBEL the G.O.A.T. and Johannes. |
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Post by hiro on May 31, 2019 21:58:23 GMT -6
First I mention PC so obviously I did not ask for a PS4 version. I own a PS4 so I feel should be getting all the same things as them since I paid the same. I own multiple games on steam that do not have steamworks DRM. They said they wanted no reason for piracy but this is one so they should remove it since steamworks is a joke anyway. This is big deal to me since I am getting a PC physical version of the game. This comes off as needlessly defensive. I really just want to help answer questions. This is your original post: I could not determine you were a PC-only backer and didn't back a PS4 platform from how this post was written. You mentioned something about your friend asking a question about the Steam version having DRM, and the first half was only about the PS4 theme. If you mean I should have known this from your response to roguedragon05, that post was after mine. Only the PS4 backers are getting that theme because that's the version of the game they chose, and if your selections include PS4 as a secondary copy, you will be receiving it as well. All backers of all platforms receiving the PS4 theme would be unnecessary and a monumental amount of work for something that 95% would never use. For the DRM issue, Steam does have DRM and GOG does not (as seen on platform selection surveys). The specifics of what Steam has is unknown to me except that it's not Denuvo. To all/everyone, we have always had a very open, welcoming and lenient community. That's the atmosphere that allows these conversations to be aired and not strictly moderated. We don't like handing out bans and policing discussions. Please, don't make us change our standards, and instead I implore you to take a high road. I never, ever want to ban someone, especially not people who I feel have legitimate concerns, but if we are pushed enough, it will have to happen. That being said, I agree with Mike on 505 being the only ones to engage Browren. I would not forgive myself for silencing him, but it is also not allowable to name-call 505 employees. For his case, in a general sense, I would prefer if the community bears it for now until 505 meets his concerns with some degree of finality.
I mean at the very least you could have request thread or email for Backers who want the theme. Getting less then someone else for the same price feels like shit.
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Post by demiurgos on Jun 1, 2019 6:30:28 GMT -6
Question Angel-Corlux What happens if we backed for a japanese physical copy but reside elsewhere? Will these shipments also be delayed? Will the japanese physical copies include the day one patches on disc/cart? A reply from either of you would be deeply appreciated. Question Angel-Corlux Even a we'll have to get back to you is better than silence. |
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Post by Aztec on Jun 1, 2019 11:35:09 GMT -6
The whole kickstarter campaign is a joke, no exclusive content for backers with lame excuse(piracy...), 3x Taxes, survey for everyone, and i want a refund or version change for the canceled vita version. hope 505 games finance a possible next iga game, and not another kickstarter rip-off... Where were you last year? They were offering refunds/platform changes for those that backed the Vita version. I’m sorry but if you missed that boat that’s on you. That offer stood for months. If you didn’t change platforms manually I believe your selection defaulted to PS4 (just as those who had WiiU got changed to Switch by default). This campaign wasn’t perfect by any means but it wasn’t a joke, far from it. Bumps and warts and all it’s still light years from the joke that was (and I hate myself for being the one who brings it up) Mighty No 9’s. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 12:11:44 GMT -6
I'm wondering when we are going to hear anything as to when they are going to be giving us backers that sexy psn theme. Psn preorders already have the theme now, right?
16 days away, I hope they are not going to make us wait until the day it releases.
also, when do they see us actually getting our copy of the game itself in the mail?
waiting an extra week for the mail would be unfortunate, but I am not expecting this on the 18th, unless they already sent them out a week in advance, which I am not sure they are allowed to do?
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Post by roguedragon05 on Jun 1, 2019 12:38:05 GMT -6
@bloodymiri
I imagine the theme codes will be emailed or put in the survey rewards at launch or shortly after, but who knows? It may take some time to make the final arrangements with Sony.
They are aiming for a day one delivery and for Americans and most others that should mostly happen I think. The physical rewards will be shipped afterwards, supposedly in an effort to insure the game itself gets to us on time and the poster at an unknown date due to delays in getting it done. I really hope they get the game and rewards too us promptly, it was abit of a buzzkill when Inti fouled up the codes release last year, not the end of the world but it was disappointing. I don't think that backers are entitled to get the game early like some have demanded (wouldn't complain if we did of course) but I will be disappointed if we get it late because of any screw ups on 505 or Fangamer's part. I'm optimistic that that that won't happen though. Hopefully all the codes arrive on time as well.
Most people (and I agree with them) are more worried about the postal service then Fangamer/505.
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Post by simon on Jun 1, 2019 16:11:19 GMT -6
Sharing a solution that worked for me since 505 Games can't figure anything out on their end.
So I have it on pre-order from Best Buy and will be receiving the novobox free "steel case". If other backers are in my exact same situation and have the money to do this it may be worthwhile for you. Especially considering the fact that 505 Games has less than zero desire to properly compensate you for the base physical game at retail being $40 with a free $15 steel case!
-Paid $60 for shit backer version
-Paid $40 physical base game plus novocase
-Will sell $40 backer version immediately after the release date on Ebay
I'm still in the hole $20, but at least I get the steel case.........the same one that greedy 505 is selling to a "limited number" of backers.
Previously, as a backer only (without retail purchase) I was going to be in the hole $20 in the same situation minus the steel case! I don't give two shits about the "backer only DLC" LOL we all know how that turned out! or the "kickstarter exclusive slipcase" which has zero value to me.
Even if the shitty backer version sells for less than $40 immediately after release, I'll still be ahead due to the steel case.
Note: Best Buy is sold out for PS4 and Xbone so this only works for the Switch version (while supplies last.......probably won't be much longer)
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Post by roguedragon05 on Jun 1, 2019 17:04:06 GMT -6
simonNo one (that knows what they are talking about at any rate) has said that the backer slipcase and what not are shit, no ones even seen them, it's fine that your more interested in the steelbook and all. But I think alot of backers will still want something that says they backed this project, and 505 is currently working on plans to make more steelbooks to sell in the future, so no need to call them greedy or anything else for this particulerly issue, this threads already had issue with baseless name calling even if it is directed at a company and not an individual person. Hope your plan works out though.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 17:37:53 GMT -6
simon No one (that knows what they are talking about at any rate) has said that the backer slipcase and what not are shit, no ones even seen them, it's fine that your more interested in the steelbook and all. But I think alot of backers will still want something that says they backed this project, and 505 is currently working on plans to make more steelbooks to sell in the future, so no need to call them greedy or anything else for this particulerly issue, this threads already had issue with baseless name calling even if it is directed at a company and not an individual person. Hope your plan works out though. Seriously. I can see how the whole backer exclusive thing and also the steelbook would be a problem for people, but things have been way too negative here lately. |
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Post by Aztec on Jun 1, 2019 18:01:44 GMT -6
I honestly don’t get the furor over this damn steelcase that you all just gotta have because we have to have everything there is to this game even though we’re already getting a lot of physical stuff ($60+ tiers) that regular costumers aren’t getting but whatever. You do you.
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Post by roguedragon05 on Jun 1, 2019 18:03:41 GMT -6
@bloodymiri
Yea I was alil disappointed about it too, but the fact is that being a backer doesn't mean I'll get dibs on everything that comes out related to Bloodstained, and that's good because that's how Bloodstained becomes a self sufficient franchise. While 800 steelbooks isn't alot that was all they could put together and they are working on getting more for the future, so personally I'm more then satisfied.
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Post by Nezuto on Jun 1, 2019 18:25:35 GMT -6
The whole steel book thing is nice, sure, but it shouldn't detract from the game in any way, imo. At least they've not pulled some of the same shit larger companies have, like microtransactions, loot boxes, locking endings behind paywalls, etc. Can't say I'm honestly thrilled with 505, as a whole, due to some of their other published games getting a bit.....lackluster, but it doesn't mean false (or true) accusations should just be tossed around as loosely as panties at a White Snake concert, either.
tl;dr Meh to the steel book bs, personally looking forward to see what IGA and the team have created for us all.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 18:32:28 GMT -6
The steelbook looks amazing, but I will never get one for personal reasons, and as awesome as it is, I am just going to have to deal with not getting one.
I fully exspect and know that this game is going to be legit awesome. But I am also hoping that if there are further games in the series, they no longer need to go kickstarter for it.
My hype levels for Bloodstained, Fire Emblem: 3 houses, Dragon Quest XI: definitive edition, and Code Vein are through the roof.
Astral Chain looks interesting as well.
PS: also sorry about this situation some people seem to be having over the Linux situation.
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Post by roguedragon05 on Jun 1, 2019 18:56:30 GMT -6
be tossed around as loosely as panties at a White Snake concert. @bloodymiri Alot of people are/have been expecting there to be a kickstarter for Bloodstained 2, while I obviously can't speak for ArtPlay or 505 or anyone, I never expected that, nor would I personally want it. For one thing running a Kickstarter can be a bitch and drags on the entire project in alot of ways and while it's great that the fanbase has helped make this game into what it is, the experience has also shown everyone what happens when you have tens of thousands of opinions tearing apart the smallest decision in every update. But more than that, I don't want to pay IGA to make a game so that I can then buy it again somewhere down the line, it's just an unsustainable business model in the long run while maintaining the demanded quality, and I don't want the game that 60,000 people would make (even if I'm one of them) I want the game that ArtPlay wants to make. Also 1 Kickstarter is special and memorable... 3 Kickstarters is just like... Ugh, again?! |
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Post by purifyweirdshard on Jun 1, 2019 19:23:13 GMT -6
but it doesn't mean false (or true) accusations should just be tossed around as loosely as panties at a White Snake concert, either. IN THE STILL OF THE NIGHT IN THE COLD MOONLIGHT I FEEL MY HEART IS ACHIN IN THE RITUAL OF THE NIGHT...... sorry. Also I'm actually quite surprised you still even want the game, Simon, given I remember your previous posts. You'd previously reported everything about it was horrible. If the strategy here is "I'll buy the retail one and sell the more valuable one for profit later" then that's fine I guess, but it more or less tells you think the backer version is more valuable, and not to mention you actually don't abhor everything about the game as I'd been led to believe. The whip being too slow rendered it completely unplayable. Angel shared this in the KS update: If the above happens, which seems like a strong possibility given the crazy response to them, the steelcase is devalued and this thing which is at that point *not* limited and available to any/all public that wants to buy one is a lot less special than your already exclusive KS case. |
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