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Post by Question on May 23, 2019 7:18:06 GMT -6
Kickstarter Update #84Hey everybody, Roberto (Angel-Corlux) from 505 here. Preorders for Bloodstained are live! (Different platforms at different times.) The base price for the game is $39.99, and we have a lot more to announce… First, the official Bloodstained website is live here! You can visit the site to preorder, check out all the trailers and screenshots we’ve released, sign up for our newsletter, and more. Feel free to link people to this site if they ever ask “what’s Bloodstained?” or similar questions. Important: All Kickstarter order addresses will be locked in and FINAL on Friday, May 31, 2019 @ 11:59pm US PT. If you need to change your delivery address, please do so now. Once the deadline passes we won’t be able to change any addresses, no exceptions! (If you no longer have your survey link, you can have it resent to you.) Soon you'll be receiving an email asking you to confirm or update your address: Please confirm it, even if your address is already correct, to ensure you receive your game as soon as possible. We’re working very hard to make sure that everyone will receive their physical and digital game copies on launch day for their respective platform; we’ll of course be updating everyone as soon as we’re able to confirm this. All the backer rewards aside from the physical copies of the game will arrive later in a single shipment; we're doing it this way to reduce the chances of anything interfering with our goal of the backers getting their games at launch. Also, there will be a delay for the Amano poster backer reward. It’s still happening and coming your way, Amano-san has just been exceedingly busy, and when faced with a choice between having someone else do the art so the reward would come on time or having Amano make it, even if it comes a little late, I chose the latter. Hopefully you all agree we made the right choice, but we apologize for the delay nonetheless. Will communicate more about this as soon as we can. Speaking of backer rewards…stretch goals! Stretch goals will be coming after the game launches and will be free content updates for everyone who owns the game, not just backers. We are currently on track to update the game on day one with Boss Rush and Speedrun mode, as well as the Pure Miriam outfit. Here’s a list of all the extra content coming later. No content has been cut from the stretch goals, so if you think anything is missing call it out and I’ll confirm / clarify. (There’s a lot to keep track of! ; _ ; ) Two additional playable characters Local and online multiplayer for certain co-op and vs. modes Roguelike mode Chaos mode Classic mode Boss Revenge mode Stay tuned for trailers and announcements of when this content will be launching! As many of you will remember, we also asked the community a while back if they were against us making the ‘backer exclusive’ content (Iga Boss and Swordwhip) available to all players in some fashion. Almost 30,000 of you replied and the overwhelming response was that in general you were ok with it, and the most popular option was to sell it at a price that would respect the purchase the backers originally made. To that end we’re announcing the “Iga’s Back Pack” DLC for $9.99, launching on June 18, 2019 for PS4, XB1 and PC, June 25, 2019 for Switch. Players who purchase this DLC will be able to fight the game’s creator, Koji Igarashi himself, and earn the powerful Swordwhip weapon by defeating him. To try and be as transparent as possible, making this content available to everyone wasn’t just about making money. I mean obviously that’s a part of it, but the chief things I was considering was making sure everyone had a safe and legitimate way to get the full game experience no matter when they find out about Bloodstained, whether that’s 5 months ago or 5 years from now, and that we were being respectful of the price backers originally paid (hence the DLC pricing). As someone who’s pirated games because of bull**** anti-consumer practices, or as a demo to try and then buy (something largely made obsolete by modern refund systems), I wanted to eliminate as many reasons to pirate Bloodstained as possible. All of the above = the “Iga’s Back Pack” DLC. Hope that makes sense. I understand that not everyone will be 100% happy with this decision, but hopefully this helps in understanding the reasoning behind it. And of course all backers entitled to this content will receive the DLC for free. And finally, it was recently revealed that certain retailers would be giving away a Bloodstained FuturePak steel case for preorders of the game while supplies lasted. I’m happy to announce that we will be selling 800 stand-alone FuturePak steel cases for $14.99 exclusively to backers. These cases feature a glossy metal renditioning of Mana Ikeda’s fantastic box art for the game, and an internal hinge so when fully opened the case creates a flat surface to display the art. The cases hold game discs and Switch cartridges. We’ll be sure to announce exactly when these will go on sale, so stay tuned! That’s it for today everyone, as always, thank you for all your incredible support, this community is one of the most amazing I’ve ever seen. Come talk to us on Discord, we actually reply! And listen! It’s crazy, I know! Talk to you soon… Roberto Piraino “Angel-Corlux” Global Brand Manager 505 Games IGA here. The preorder for Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night has finally begun. Finally...Finally, we are here. This project was a series of many challenges. Even though we are doing things the usual way, I have come to realize that it's full of hardships when the environment changes. However, the countdown to the game's release has begun. To all backers: Please recommend Bloodstained to your friends who have not heard of it yet! Our journey is not over yet, so we will continue to work our best!
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Post by estebant on May 23, 2019 7:20:50 GMT -6
It's hard to get excited with footage we have seen like a million times since the demo.
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Post by Brainiac on May 23, 2019 7:31:24 GMT -6
I rather enjoyed the the preorder trailer. Neither the visuals or music were new, but as a whole, it felt refreshing.
Anyways, I really only have two questions (heh) about the included physical materials.
1. The Amano posters are their own thing (which I agree was the right call), but are the slipcases being included with the physical game copies or the later "almost everything else" shipment?
2. I don't see this answer posted in the forums (I think I had it answered in the Discord, so it should probably be posted here as well) - will the slipcases be able to fit over the FuturePak cases or will those be too large?
Honestly, since I'm getting a GOG copy, I may just wind up burning a DVD with all the DLC preloaded once it's all out and putting that in one case with the original physical copy in the other, but I figure clarification would be good for all.
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Post by zero on May 23, 2019 7:37:00 GMT -6
I have one request, please only allow one steelbook case per person. I don't not want to go through scalpers for this because I caught the email announcement 10 minutes after it's sent instead of five. Really loving everything so far.
Edit: I'd also like to point out that walmart is using the kickstarter concept art and the backer achievement board to advertise the game. Probably not a big deal but doesn't really represent what it is now.
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Post by Sindra on May 23, 2019 7:50:51 GMT -6
Totally fine with backer rewards coming later so long as it's not something like a year later. A selfish part of me does wish the backer-exclusive content was indeed just that, as that was how it was advertised during the KS campaign. It's not a huge deal, but something I wanted to point out.
I am curious as to what the scope of the effort to make sure backers get their games day-of-release does mean in terms of physical copies. Does this mean there's a chance copies could come the day prior to the official release depending on local carriers? If that is the case, will the game be able to run/download required updates before official launch?
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Post by JeffCross on May 23, 2019 8:04:53 GMT -6
anyone else disappointed in the steelcase? I want a Nintendo switch specific steel case. It throws off my collection, to have a ps4 sized case in my switch collection. personally it's very disappointing...
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Post by Overlord on May 23, 2019 8:11:53 GMT -6
It's very disappointing that pretty much none of the stretch goals will be there at launch, and content that was advertised as "backer exclusive" when money was needed is now conveniently available to anyone, but I had expected all of this to happen, so at least it isn't a surprise.
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Post by kamakura on May 23, 2019 8:40:24 GMT -6
$10? Is it a mistake of $100? If not wrong, we will request a refund. Because you use it to purchase the normal version.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2019 8:41:03 GMT -6
I expected the extra modes to be in a post-release update, since there were a lot of them, so I'm okay with that choice (even if I honestly don't care about the extra modes at all). What I'm not that happy about is the (former, at this point) backer exclusive content. While I absolutely agree on the fact that all players should have access to the entire game, in my opinion it would have been better if the paid DLC would have been released "x" months after the release for all the "normal" players. Nevertheless, it's your right as the game's publisher to make these kinds of choices, there's no point in arguing. At this point all that I care about is the game being worth the amount of money I spent, and I hope it will be. I'll just wait for the release date. Good luck at 505/ArtPlay/DICO for the game's release and all the post-launch support, and good luck to the backers (myself included), hoping that the game/rewards will be delivered on time and without problems.
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Post by ReySol on May 23, 2019 8:48:26 GMT -6
I am concerned about getting two shipments: first the game and later backer rewards. When importing these two shipments, the tax import post office will ask me for a receipt and I will have to show the same receipt twice. This is a receipt for a big amount of money so import taxes will be big and I will have to pay them twice. How can we find a solution for this? I don’t care about having my physical copy the first day, as I am getting digital as well. I would prefer to get it all in one package later, but I am not sure if this is even doable, as individual take on each backer would be a huge amount of work.
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Post by dahvoo on May 23, 2019 9:04:23 GMT -6
Just saw the update and the decision to release backer exclusive content, on day one, for $9.99, is based on response from survey done last year. Keep in mind that was a fan survey, not a backers-only survey. Anyone following Bloodstained news at the time with a gmail could have answered it.
Taking a quick look at the numbers, the total number of responses (26,848) was around 40% or less of the total number of backers (64,867 on Kickstarter, who knows how many more backers on Fangamer before they cut off backing). Within the survey, around 80% who answered indicated they had backed the game (and no way to tell how honest those responses were).
So a survey consisting of less than 80% of less than 40% of "backers" (which would be less than 1/3 total true backers) decided they were okay with letting exclusive content come to everyone, on day one, for a minimum amount of $9.99. Seeing as how most backers had to back at minimum $60 tier, which is $32 more than minimum $28 tier to get a digital copy of the game, free Curse of the Moon, and all other free stretch goal, I find it hard to believe you thought this would be okay or be respectful to the backers.
The steel case issue I understand is outside of this, as that was never advertised and probably only exists in the first place due to retailer demand for some sort of exclusive item. Backers shouldn't be entitled to this at all. But the "exclusive backer-only content" we were advertised? That shouldn't have been messed with IMO. You got us to back at over double the base cost, with an empty promise of exclusivity, so bravo if your attempt was to get maximum funds and not care if it came off as sleazy or manipulative.
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Post by kronfarfar on May 23, 2019 9:08:25 GMT -6
I was just about to post the same thing as dahvoo did. So we the backers paid $60 for the entire game while on release others can get the same experience for $50 incl Iga-dlc... How are we supposed to be fine with this??
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Post by Brainiac on May 23, 2019 9:11:08 GMT -6
Saw this among the angry comments on Kickstarter: "Slipcase is inferior to Steel books."
Someone tell Mana she's got a fan who says her art is superior to Ayami Kojima's!
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Post by jboogieg on May 23, 2019 9:14:26 GMT -6
I was just about to post the same thing as dahvoo did. So we the backers paid $60 for the entire game while on release others can get the same experience for $50 incl Iga-dlc... How are we supposed to be fine with this?? Don't forget to add Curse of the Moon, too.
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Post by kronfarfar on May 23, 2019 9:30:29 GMT -6
I was just about to post the same thing as dahvoo did. So we the backers paid $60 for the entire game while on release others can get the same experience for $50 incl Iga-dlc... How are we supposed to be fine with this?? Don't forget to add Curse of the Moon, too. You are correct. So that makes the total even $60 vs $60. This means the backers didn't get anything extra or exclusive (save for a slipcase).
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Post by BloodyTears92 on May 23, 2019 9:33:59 GMT -6
I'm not surprised at the extra modes being dlc, though I *am* surprised neither of the bonus characters are done. So I *think* we are getting:
The base game with Miriam, complete with anything related to the castle like the "retro level", "Orchestrated music" and "IGA's Biggest Castle" obviously. Boss Rush and Speed Run are good day one updates since we did expect Boss Rush at launch for sure. All the other modes coming later was expected.
As for the "IGA's Back pack" I voted to keep that stuff just for us, but Ive gotten into to many vicious fights that always ended with me feeling like an ***hole for not considering the myriad ways people might not have been able to get that content even though they may have wanted to back at the time.
As for the price, $40 for the base game and $10 for the pack matches fine for backers since we are getting exclusive slipcases with Kojima's art. I feel like that covers the extra $10 but others might feel differently. And COTM was supposed to be free fr us so Im not counting that in the extra $10 because, well, then that would mean we paid for it, not gotten it free.
EDIT: Also I backed for FAR more than $60, so I probably feel differently because Im also getting the soundtrack, the art book, shirt, poster, signatures etc. I've already got a punch of physical exclusive stuff. Disclosure etc.
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Post by ReySol on May 23, 2019 9:37:29 GMT -6
Saw this among the angry comments on Kickstarter: "Slipcase is inferior to Steel books."
Someone tell Mana she's got a fan who says her art is superior to Ayami Kojima's! If I remember well, there is a backer slipcase at 60 USD and Ayami Kojima slipcase at 100 USD reward. I think they are referring to the first one. In my opinion backer in-game content should have stayed exclusive as a special bonus, wink, thank you..Even without that the game is complete, this was supposed to be just this special thing for backers that not everyone would care about in order to get full experience of the game. There will be so many bonus modes anyway. I guess it all comes to money in the end and it will discourage many people from backing future kickstarter projects.
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Post by Pure Miriam on May 23, 2019 9:41:47 GMT -6
Let me comment bit about this update. I have lots of things to say. I will comment on what concerns me, so, here goes: THE PREORDER VIDEO and NEW PICTURES
Here are some small new content shown at the preorder video and at Bloodstained's official site. Dian Céccht Cathedral, we can see the Killer Barber, a new Winged Demon and a bautiful scenario with a gorgeous stained glass background. I really missed that on a game called Bloodstained, so it is good and refreshing to see that. Miriam is using some kind of Shard that remembers a upgraded version of Castlevania's Holy water and it looks cool. Miriam summoning a huge menacing dragon that attacks an enemy with it's claws. Not much to say, just really fun and badass-looking. I think this is still Dian Céccht Cathedral, considering the stained glasses. The same demon shows up, the Winged Demon, with a freaky looking red creature on fours, Miriam is customized with a red pallete and it seems she is summoning some kind of flame circle with knives. It all looks gorgeous and awesome. I think this is at the same scene as above. They just turned up the game at that specific place to do that, considering there is just 5 enemies killed and the map is at 1.50%. I loved Miriam's headpiece, those stained glasses wings. A cutscene? Miriam walking through a fog-filled area, it looks mysterious. THE GAME CONTENT
So, the game will be released, as people say, in a staggered way, with most extra content being released after the main game. I'm okay with that. They took time to do everything on the main game, so, i'm fine with that. The main content alongside the game is good enough already! THE PAID DLC
Wait...SERIOUSLY? Some people are REALLY complaining that they are offering backer-exclusive content to everyone else for a price? I mean...really? You didn't bought a game on kickstarter, you donated for a project to be created. That's what you did. I think it is fair to charge for backer exclusive content and offer it for free for backers, that's the best, most reasonable and decent choice. People know me here, and knows that i'm always calm and respecful, but please, i can't believe this. There is a limit for someone to be selfish, petty and self-centered. That's all folks!
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Post by roguedragon05 on May 23, 2019 9:53:32 GMT -6
I realize that not everyone's gonna agree with me, but I've been reading alot of hate thrown about concerning the "exclusive" content no longer being exclusive. First off I'm glad the content is no longer exclusive personally, and I say that as a backer. Alot of people say they paid extra to secure a backers exclusive copy, what your essentially saying is that you pre ordered the backer copy and now even though your getting all the content you wanted the word exclusive has been removed. Thing is, you didn't preorder the game, you invested in a project. and it should be known by anyone making an investment that you may not get exactly what you thought you were getting and that was your responsibility to know. If you ended up paying more money then you would have normally well guess that you should have waited until you knew EXACTLY what you were gonna get before you paid money. I understand that some people feel like the winds been taken out of their sails over this, but it's not like you are actually getting less content. Because you were backers, you've had access to inside knowledge of the game making process, participated in helping give ideas on how to make the best game possible, had access to demo's... and more importantly you get to know you helped make this thing happen. A final point I'd make on the subject is that alot of disgruntled fans are trying to draw direct comparison to the money the invested to the products they will get, I'm sorry but this doesn't fly, I paid $300 does that mean that my shirt, my tin box, my keychain etc. and my autograph translates to $300's worth? Nope. For $200 more I could have had a giant piece of paper map... is that map in anyway shape or form worth $200? Nope. As I said before you invested money at certin tiers on a good faith promise for items that did not exist at that time, sight unseen by you,in other words... you made a gamble. So far as the steelbooks go, I've heard alot of people saying that non backers will get them for free, and while I understand the words "certain retailers would be giving away a Bloodstained FuturePak steel case for preorders of the game while supplies lasted." Was used but I personally took this to mean that the price of the steelbook would be included in the purchase and not that they are giving away for free. If Question or someone could clarify that I would be grateful. But only 800 for backers to fight over? I'm not going to tell anyone how to do their jobs but that seems like a low number, but perhaps that is all that can be afforded or spared... I don't know. Any information on how these 800 would be much more appreciated to come sooner then later at this point. Brace yourselves it's gonna be an interesting month. Edit: I have found that Best Buy will be giving out 3000 steelbooks with copies I guess, I suppose like I said the price is gonna be made up for in the profits from the game. Still 800 that are exclusive to the backers seems abit low, but better then nothing.
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Post by Overlord on May 23, 2019 10:25:08 GMT -6
I think it is fair to charge for backer exclusive content and offer it for free for backers, that's the best, most reasonable and decent choice. People know me here, and knows that i'm always calm and respecful, but please, i can't believe this. There is a limit for someone to be selfish, petty and self-centered.That's complete and utter nonsense. If anyone is being selfish, it's those that have no problem false advertising in order to gain some extra money. There's nothing "decent" about telling people they need to back a Kickstarter in order to have access to certain content, and then giving everyone access to that content after all the money is collected. They were under no obligation to offer exclusive content. A lot of thought and planning clearly went into the Kickstarter. They didn't need to advertise it as exclusive, but they did anyway. If you think anyone that sees this as a negative is selfish, petty, and/or self centered, then you're clueless.
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