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Post by Motoko on Jul 17, 2015 9:50:05 GMT -6
You guys should be happy we all win, and if not shenmue it would have been some other project taking the spot on the list, iam a happy camper today shenmue is getting more funds to help the final product be better. This, the new golden era of Japanese developed games is making a comeback! ♪\(*^▽^*)/\(*^▽^*)/
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Post by zredgemz on Jul 17, 2015 9:52:07 GMT -6
You guys should be happy we all win, and if not shenmue it would have been some other project taking the spot on the list, iam a happy camper today shenmue is getting more funds to help the final product be better. This, the new golden era of Japanese developed games is making a comeback! ♪\(*^▽^*)/\(*^▽^*)/ Yes the 80s and the 90s, if we can get more games like this then Half-life3 is confirmed see i figured out the code.
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Post by Motoko on Jul 17, 2015 10:47:32 GMT -6
This, the new golden era of Japanese developed games is making a comeback! ♪\(*^▽^*)/\(*^▽^*)/ Yes the 80s and the 90s, if we can get more games like this then Half-life3 is confirmed see i figured out the code. Valve can't count to 3 tho (/ω\)
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Post by Ciel on Jul 17, 2015 10:54:29 GMT -6
Yes the 80s and the 90s, if we can get more games like this then Half-life3 is confirmed see i figured out the code. Valve can't count to 3 tho (/ω\) Saddest fact of the industry ._.
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Post by Arcueid Brunestud on Jul 17, 2015 12:57:01 GMT -6
i think if we had gotten some exposure at E3 we would've destroyed them. yes, i'm going to be bitter about this for a while. Feel free. Meanwhile, Star Citizen will still be beating the pants off of everyone in crowd funding, yet that also won't make Bloodstained, Shenmue or any other game worse for the comparison. Just going to point out that Star Citizen only amassed a little over 2 million during their KS campaign, so they don't really count I think. I don't think Shenmue 3 surpassing Bloodstained will be looked at as good news in the long run. First of all, Shenmue 3 had massive exposure at E3, plus it's Shenmue 3 which everyone says is up there with the likes of Half Life 3, and a FF7R. People will look at it and say, "What? It only managed to surpass Bloodstained by that much? It even showed up at E3, and Bloodstained didn't! I guess Shenmue 3 isn't as big of a deal as I thought it was.". They'll see the stretch goals and think, "Wow, they only managed to get half their stretch goals? Hm... this is what happens when I believe in the hype too much."
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Post by zredgemz on Jul 17, 2015 13:40:11 GMT -6
It is too early to say how much Shenmue will have in the end, i already made a guess back on the 11th of 6.3 mil if could go higher then that and beat pono music and take another slot up the chain. If you look at MN9 it had many goals it did not hit a bunch of kickstarter are lucky to just get funded and offen do not hit all the goals they would like to.
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Post by Scars Unseen on Jul 17, 2015 14:52:56 GMT -6
Feel free. Meanwhile, Star Citizen will still be beating the pants off of everyone in crowd funding, yet that also won't make Bloodstained, Shenmue or any other game worse for the comparison. Just going to point out that Star Citizen only amassed a little over 2 million during their KS campaign, so they don't really count I think. I don't think Shenmue 3 surpassing Bloodstained will be looked at as good news in the long run. First of all, Shenmue 3 had massive exposure at E3, plus it's Shenmue 3 which everyone says is up there with the likes of Half Life 3, and a FF7R. People will look at it and say, "What? It only managed to surpass Bloodstained by that much? It even showed up at E3, and Bloodstained didn't! I guess Shenmue 3 isn't as big of a deal as I thought it was.". They'll see the stretch goals and think, "Wow, they only managed to get half their stretch goals? Hm... this is what happens when I believe in the hype too much." That's actually not true. Unlike most crowd funded games, Star Citizen got the majority of it's funding through Paypal even during the Kickstarter. Between Kickstarter and Paypal they got $6.2 million with their initial crowd funding effort. Of course we all knew what happened after... As for the long run, I don't think dollar amounts will matter at all. What will matter will be the games themselves. Broken Age was one of the first major Kickstarter video game successes, but it's now not really a big deal because the second half of the game turned out not to be that great. On the other hand, Pillars of Eternity turned out really well, and is well regarded as a result(obviously some people disagree, but that's any game). No one really talks about PoE's crowd funding amount anymore because the game itself is good. These Kickstarters are great for quickly building a community as well as the obvious financial assistance they bring, and that's one reason that I support them when I find a project I like(and can afford. I only pledged $5 to Shenmue 3 because I'm pretty broke right now). But it's what comes after that's most important. How the developer interacts with the community. How well they make use of the funds available. One of the reasons that Star Citizen has done so well post-KS is because they have been interacting with the community on a level that puts even Bloodstained's KS campaign to shame. That isn't a slight against Igarashi; they've just been that good. On the other hand, look at the issues Mighty No. 9 had with its community. Actually, don't. It's a mess, and prone to sparking flame wars. I think that Bloodstained will be remembered well on all fronts. It had a great KS campaign, and I anticipate that the journey from here to the finished product will be a fun one. And we already know that Igarashi can knock this sort of game out of the park in his sleep, so I can't imagine the game itself being anything less than stellar. We'll see about Shenmue. To be honest, I don't see Yu as the type to be as communicative during development, so it's all going to come down to their community manager, if they get one. Because of that, I think that there will be more pressure put on the final product. If I was to make a prediction, it would be that prior fans of Shenmue will love it, while opinions elsewhere will be more mixed simply because Shenmue really is a niche game.
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Post by bloodstainedmiriam on Jul 17, 2015 15:51:11 GMT -6
Shenmue is a series i never had an interest in but it's really nice to see people get a game they've been hoping for and finally get it. It beat Bloodstained too in terms of KS funding, I just hope both of these game end up satisfying their respective backers.
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Post by Motoko on Jul 17, 2015 18:02:04 GMT -6
Shenmue is a series i never had an interest in but it's really nice to see people get a game they've been hoping for and finally get it. It beat Bloodstained too in terms of KS funding, I just hope both of these game end up satisfying their respective backers. Yeah, they've had a long wait after the cliffhanger ending of Shenmue 2... I'm confident that they will do right by the fans and deliver them a game worthy of the name!
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Post by Ciel on Jul 17, 2015 19:39:34 GMT -6
Shenmue is a series i never had an interest in but it's really nice to see people get a game they've been hoping for and finally get it. It beat Bloodstained too in terms of KS funding, I just hope both of these game end up satisfying their respective backers. Yeah, they've had a long wait after the cliffhanger ending of Shenmue 2... I'm confident that they will do right by the fans and deliver them a game worthy of the name! Though they said something about not doing an open world unless they reach 10m, and apparently that is an important feature of Shenmue. Maybe the game will not reach the expectations... Lets ser what happens
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Post by Motoko on Jul 17, 2015 19:41:50 GMT -6
Yeah, they've had a long wait after the cliffhanger ending of Shenmue 2... I'm confident that they will do right by the fans and deliver them a game worthy of the name! Though they said something about not doing an open world unless they reach 10m, and apparently that is an important feature of Shenmue. Maybe the game will not reach the expectations... Lets ser what happens This is why I'm personally hoping that they have PayPal open after the end of the KS to collect additional funding towards those goals
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Post by ghaleon on Jul 17, 2015 19:43:57 GMT -6
Feel free. Meanwhile, Star Citizen will still be beating the pants off of everyone in crowd funding, yet that also won't make Bloodstained, Shenmue or any other game worse for the comparison. "What? It only managed to surpass Bloodstained by that much? It even showed up at E3, and Bloodstained didn't! I guess Shenmue 3 isn't as big of a deal as I thought it was." See, that's where I don't understand. Even if Shenmue 1 and 2 were gods gifts to gaming, and they very well may be, I don't know, I haven't played them...but even if they were. Castlevania is just too old a legacy with success after success. I mean it's like sonic only WITHOUT the bad repuation it has nowdays, and it's even older than sonic too! That's why I said shenmue being more successful a KS would be akward because that would be like trying to say there's a bigger demand for a new xenosaga than say... a new pokemon if they stopped making pokemon games the way fans wanted for 6 years or wahtever. I mean I love xenosaga, I would love for them to complete what they started, but I simply would not even dream of comparing it to something with as old and successful a pedigree as castlevania, no way. And shenmue is an even more obscure title. with the first game on like the least popular console of its generation. I'm not trying to say shenmue 3 doesn't deserve whatever, or that its fans don't deserve whatever, but I'm simply mind-boggled at how people can think it's NATURAL for such a small niche franchise to get more support than something that is closer to Mario than anything else (not in gameplay obviously). I mean if they stopped making mario games for years and their was no indication of future ones coming without a KS, I would expect it to blow other KS campaigns outta the water, and I don't even like mario that much.
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Post by zredgemz on Jul 17, 2015 19:51:29 GMT -6
I think we will get 6.3 million if they say the full english cast from shenmue will come back for the 3rd game. If they have a few more surpises that are great maybe a super spike at the end but it will be fun to see who is right, either way 2017 is going to be a big year for gaming not speaking of just shenmue3 either. I called it guys a little more but still.
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Post by Arcueid Brunestud on Jul 17, 2015 19:54:38 GMT -6
They confirmed PAYPAL for Shenmue 3.
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Post by Motoko on Jul 17, 2015 19:57:40 GMT -6
I thought they were going to end up around 6.5-7mil. That would have been possible with PayPal during the campaign
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Post by zredgemz on Jul 17, 2015 22:19:04 GMT -6
Too bad we did not bet money for the guess, i would have used that money so i can eat out.
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Post by ghaleon on Jul 17, 2015 22:25:37 GMT -6
I wish there was a way you could see how much money was actually cleared.. like when BS' funding was over, there were dozens of people posting that their cash wasn't sent or it had an error or something. I'm not judging them or anything, but I imagine given the scope of the KS, that some of them never did manage to fix their issues, I wonder how much example. How much was BS SUPPOSED to get, and how much DID BS get, as well as shemue, and other ks campaigns.
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Post by Scars Unseen on Jul 17, 2015 22:43:20 GMT -6
"What? It only managed to surpass Bloodstained by that much? It even showed up at E3, and Bloodstained didn't! I guess Shenmue 3 isn't as big of a deal as I thought it was." See, that's where I don't understand. Even if Shenmue 1 and 2 were gods gifts to gaming, and they very well may be, I don't know, I haven't played them...but even if they were. Castlevania is just too old a legacy with success after success. I mean it's like sonic only WITHOUT the bad repuation it has nowdays, and it's even older than sonic too! That's why I said shenmue being more successful a KS would be akward because that would be like trying to say there's a bigger demand for a new xenosaga than say... a new pokemon if they stopped making pokemon games the way fans wanted for 6 years or wahtever. I mean I love xenosaga, I would love for them to complete what they started, but I simply would not even dream of comparing it to something with as old and successful a pedigree as castlevania, no way. And shenmue is an even more obscure title. with the first game on like the least popular console of its generation. I'm not trying to say shenmue 3 doesn't deserve whatever, or that its fans don't deserve whatever, but I'm simply mind-boggled at how people can think it's NATURAL for such a small niche franchise to get more support than something that is closer to Mario than anything else (not in gameplay obviously). I mean if they stopped making mario games for years and their was no indication of future ones coming without a KS, I would expect it to blow other KS campaigns outta the water, and I don't even like mario that much. The easiest way I can describe the way that Shenmue fans feel about finally getting a sequel is to compare it to the way a lot of people would feel if Joss Whedon were to announce that he was continuing Firefly with the original cast. They both have similarly devoted fanbases, and in both cases we kind of got left hanging without warning and little hope of resolution(though at least Firefly got Serenity and some comics). Even Half-Life 3 isn't as bad in that regard because the only thing keeping Valve from finishing that story is Valve's own apathy towards their franchise and their fans. Yu has been trying to find a way to make Shenmue 3 for years. Also, one thing to remember is that while Castlevania certainly has pedigree, the Igavania's weren't all that successful from a financial standpoint. The reason we kept getting so many of them is because Igarashi knew how to spin gold out a limited budget. So the Castlevania fandom is similar to the Shenmue fandom in that both are more loyal than numerous.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2015 8:36:33 GMT -6
You guys should be happy we all win, and if not shenmue it would have been some other project taking the spot on the list, iam a happy camper today shenmue is getting more funds to help the final product be better. This, the new golden era of Japanese developed games is making a comeback! ♪\(*^▽^*)/\(*^▽^*)/ Unless one of these things happen: -AJ gets more gigs thanks to Shenmue getting millions, and completely kills the last chance of seeing some franchises come to life by mishandling future campaigns -Shenmue not managing to get its overly-ambitious goal and Inafune's RA kickstarters doing poorly create the illusion that crowdfunding is a fad (in the eyes of the Japanese devs) The former is very likely, as the average Japanese dev can't jump over the language barrier and will be poorly informed about the dealings in the West. They'll see that Shenmue is the most funded game and AJ will be able to sell them the story that they're behind the success easily. The overall ranking is irrelevant, but Shenmue holding the number one spot as far as Japanese campaigns go is a bad thing. Ben and his coworkers being able to say that they were behind the most funded Japanese campaign would have been considerably better for the industry, as the devs would get better (read: actually good) campaigns and more exposure to their Western audience. I have no problem with Shenmue, but it carried AJ to heights that they shouldn't have ever reached and that could have very adverse effects on Japanese crowdfunding, which is still in its infancy.
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Post by ghaleon on Jul 18, 2015 11:33:23 GMT -6
You guys should be happy we all win, and if not shenmue it would have been some other project taking the spot on the list, iam a happy camper today shenmue is getting more funds to help the final product be better. This, the new golden era of Japanese developed games is making a comeback! ♪\(*^▽^*)/\(*^▽^*)/ Not sure how I missed this, but I disagree... Do you ever try doujin games? I know many people who have tried many indie games but for some reason doujin games is beneath their notice or something... Needless to say there are some effing amazing ones that made this the golden age of Japanese gaming awhile back that nobody hasn't noticed yet imo =). Basically, yes it is, but it has been for awhile, and not for the reasons you think =P
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