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Post by Goobsausage on May 2, 2016 17:51:52 GMT -6
I'm okay with getting a staggered content release. The main game is what I'm looking forward to the most, and updates for bigger features like classic mode, roguelike, and multiplayer would feel like getting a new game.
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Post by arct1c0n on May 2, 2016 17:55:50 GMT -6
Yeah, no. That is NOT what I paid for!
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Post by CastleDan on May 2, 2016 18:28:24 GMT -6
Yeah, no. That is NOT what I paid for! You paid for the game and that is what you're getting. Unless you rather wait till 2018 or much later to get it all at once. Which seems kinda silly, since everyone's been complaining about how many delays Mighty No 9 got because of an online mode that most people don't care about waiting for over the main game which everyone cares about.
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Post by Ciel on May 2, 2016 18:32:58 GMT -6
Although I don't like this kind of release, I don't really care so whatever.
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Post by Ryngar Acia on May 2, 2016 19:02:22 GMT -6
Well, the base game is what I'm looking foward to the most, so I'm cool with this.
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Post by ghaleon on May 2, 2016 19:17:51 GMT -6
good point, I never really thought of the physical copy issue. Basically they will be incomplete, which certainly ruins the cool factor for me.. I'm still not upset though, just kind of a 'oh yeah.. doh'.
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Post by Galamoth on May 2, 2016 19:48:18 GMT -6
Though, at this point, I am indeed wondering about exactly how many of the planned extra modes will already be in the game.
I know someone else said this before: Maybe some of the extra modes will actually require you to complete the main single-player mode first, becoming unlocked and accessible upon completion.
The only extra modes I can think of that may not be available at all on the first day of release are the "Online Challenge Mode", "Asynchronous Online Multiplayer", and the "Roguelike Mode". It seems like the Bloodstained development team could easily fit all of the other modes into the game without taking away from the main single-player mode.
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Post by ReySol on May 2, 2016 21:45:53 GMT -6
I would also prefer the main game sooner and additional content via DLC! After having to wait so long since the Kickstarter, I will devour the game
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Post by XombieMike on May 2, 2016 21:58:19 GMT -6
Yeah, no. That is NOT what I paid for! Until we know exactly what features to expect cut from the physical copy (unless you mean asynchronous multiplayer and online Co op) I'm going to assume the best. I bet many people will feel this way though.
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Post by Vampire on May 2, 2016 22:42:38 GMT -6
Greetings Fellow Nightwalkers,it seems this is an interesting topic we have going here,especially considering just today mighty no.9 after almost 3 months of silence finally has had a release date given for june next month
First of all I would like to address something,I see people concerned with this method the staggered content release Some are in favor some are opposed,some might thing that unless a staggered content release is done the game will be overdelayed as mighty no.9 was
I would like to address that the number of staggering delays with mighty no.9 was nothing more then sheer incompetence on comcept and inafunes part,being someone who donated to that kickstarter I can say there was many times that project and its creators were not honest with the backers and that there was feeling of funds being mismanaged in addition to little people actually working on getting the online portion done,thats a story for another time though ...
As one of the Backers here who placed a decent amount of money aka $100 dollars for a physical edition (Alchemists Treasure edition) there are some things I would like to have when the game releases upon the physical edition including: -Nightmare difficulty mode -Local Co-Op -Speed Run Mode -Boss Rush Mode -Classic Mode -Retro Level -Prequel Minigame
Those are the bare things I desire with the game at launch,Most of the modes such as speed run,Boss rush,and Nightmare are usually not too hard to implement and have been a staple for the igavania castlevania games,The Prequel minigame would be something nice on disc,but maybe something the backers could play months ahead of release as a sort of thanks via a download code?
The Online modes and the Rogue-like dungeon I dont mind if those are added in later after launch since those require online to play,local co op though however should be something able to do offline and as such should be a day 1 feature,then again since I focus as this game as a single player experience I wont be salty if the local co op is not implemented as a day 1 feature,however as a single player experience I mostly look for those extra modes (Boss rush,Classic Mode,Speed Run Mode,Nightmare) as a means of replay value
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Post by rpx on May 2, 2016 22:51:24 GMT -6
I rather have the actual game itself ( I mean we are here for its single player experience because at its core that's what igavanias are). I rather get the main experience released within a decent time frame then wait 3+ years to accommodate all the features they promised to include and them have to delay the game over and over again like mighty no 9. Why not play what we truly want out of this earlier and look forward to additional content coming to us in download form month after month? This all boils down to a matter of taste. I know I'm probably giving away my age and all. But I from that time period where DLC was not a thing. When a game was released that was it. The game was done and you got your monies worth. Mighty No. 9 is holding true to that concept of having a game 100% done nothing more needs to be added or updated. That is something deserving of respect no matter how you look at it. I know patients is not a thing in this day and age anymore. Back in the old days of the cartridges and before online anything Developers had to get it right the first time. That is what built the franchises we all came to know and love. MegaMan, Castlevania, Mario, Ninja Gaiden, FinalFantasy, Metroid, Legend of Zelda, ect. They were all finished games and that is one of the reasons they are still around. Because a ton of work was always put into those games, and when you see those names, you know you're getting a finished and quality product. Might Number. 9 might have taken a long time to get here but when it hits, it will be good quality. And that is what is going to give it staying power. This will holds true for BloodStained and other games. Once again I have patients something I know that is practically and out dated idea. But that is just my taste, take your time and to do it right.
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Post by LordKaiser on May 2, 2016 23:59:01 GMT -6
I want everything on my disc no matter how long I will wait for it because I want a complete game not a game in parts. The way I will accept DLC is if it's part of a online experience that will go away once a server gets closed down or else everything must be inside the disc. Also I want distinctive art printed on our discs. Yes I want our discs to have collecting value from years and years.
BTW I don't want the retail disc to have more information than the Kickstarter discs. (Just saying, not addressing any comment)
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Post by Vampire on May 3, 2016 3:14:52 GMT -6
Yeah...what lord kaiser said made me remember something When people like me helped fund mighty no.9 later down the road they did some things and it ended up them being able to put out retail physical discs,which is great because i love physical,problem was the backers didnt get a choice to switch their pledge to physical versions and the retail versions which costed non-backers less had more content and physical goods for a much lower price,that was dick move
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Post by qaantar on May 3, 2016 6:10:15 GMT -6
I suppose that a staggered content release was easier for Shovel Knight, because its Kickstarter was for digital copies of the game only. The physical copy came well after the Kickstarter.
For Bloodstained, it is a bit more complicated. It'll be interesting to see how that turns out.
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Post by Shax on May 3, 2016 7:43:47 GMT -6
I'm not sure that a "Rouge-like dungeon" feature is something that can be added later into the game (someone mentioned it earlier). I know close to nothing about Rouge-likes but if I'm not mistaken The Binding of Isaac has a Rogue-like dungeon. That is why you can play that game 100+ and it would be different every time. If you look at the amount of content the Binding of Issac has. I find it kinda silly that the dungeons would be follow a pattern and then, when the Rouge Dungeons are released, suddenly become procedurally generated. See what I mean?
Procedural Generation
Pros:
+Vastly increases replay +Gives a unique experience almost every time it is played +More increases challenge to the player, especially on Nightmare Mode +Allows more flexibility in play
Cons: +Requires A LOT of content: weapons, spells, enemies, items, etc +If nothing goes your way....you're straight screwed (this might be offset because enemies drop things unlike the enemies in The Binding of Isaac) +On Nightmare difficulty it might be disgustingly difficult even by Nightmare standards +A lot of backgrounds(?) (Not entirely sure on that, it seems like you can get away with several backgrounds under a specific style: Cave is to Cave, Sand is to Sand, etc)
Anyways, I think the following features should be included at launch.
-Rogue-like Dungeon -NG+ -Nightmare Difficulty -Speed Run (after beating the game) -Boss Rush (after beating the game)
I'm not show how "mini" the prequel mini-game is going to be so I have no idea if it be included at launch. Online play doesn't matter considering....Mighty 9. Classic Mode, I'm not entirely sure about. Classic typically means "Story Mode" but it seems pointless to add the story to a game after it is released. Retro Level, eh, could probably be included at launch.
I'm happy no matter what they decide to include at launch
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Post by Galamoth on May 3, 2016 7:48:48 GMT -6
In the end, no matter how much content that the Bloodstained team includes in the base game...I'm still going to buy the possible "Complete Edition" physical copy of Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night down the road of time. I'm already planning on buying 3 copies of this awesome game. Buying yet another copy will not harm me! (I'll throw my money at this computer screen if I have to!)
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Post by allooutrick on May 3, 2016 8:22:21 GMT -6
This is an excellent topic to receive clarification on and for the development team to hear their fan's input about. To keep it short, as long as the main game mode is available on release I'll be ok with that. I was wanting to speed run this game or, at least, assist in optimizing routes and finding new ones. I'll also be buying the inevitable disc that has all the content and patches on it because of what this game is and I have no doubt I'll enjoy it enough to be alright with owning two discs.
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Post by CastleDan on May 3, 2016 10:02:15 GMT -6
What people need to understand is the March 2017 release date was with the core game in mind, that was before mode upon mode upon mode had to be added due to us smashing records. Which means waiting for all the content at once means way down the line most likely. Now most of you might want a complete package all at once but I come from a time where Igavania's are awesome because of their main games. A main game that i've already waited a long time to get because Lords Of shadow disrupted it. This isn't some DLC that you have to buy, we already bought it all as a complete package, downloading the additional content when it gets done is absolutely fine because it's "FREE" in that sense. I personally don't want to wait many years when this becomes a distant blur for the whole package when many of us mainly are in it for the single player main game experience to begin with. I get everyone wants it complete but weigh the options here we are talking about an earlier release vs waiting a very long time and believe you me it'll be a long time with all they're promising.
It's a tough situation I get people like the value of everything being on the disk but where is the importance being placed? For me it's being placed on the main game, and we will probably have SOME of the extra modes with the game on release anyways. Just think of the additions after that as free DLC. ( or already purchased with the game)
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Post by arct1c0n on May 3, 2016 12:31:08 GMT -6
Hell with this, give me the FULL game on my FULL PHYSICAL COPY that I paid so much extra for. Enough with this god damn DLC bullshit already
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Post by XombieMike on May 3, 2016 13:20:34 GMT -6
Hell with this, give me the FULL game on my FULL PHYSICAL COPY that I paid so much extra for. Enough with this god damn DLC bullshit already Let's wait until we know what's being released physically before jumping to conclusions. There are rules against excessive foul language. You have already stated your opinion in this thread.
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