thrashinuva
Master Alchemist
[TI2] I'm interested in this.
Posts: 627
inherit
16
0
Aug 1, 2019 12:46:32 GMT -6
411
thrashinuva
[TI2] I'm interested in this.
627
May 28, 2015 15:13:26 GMT -6
May 2015
thrashinuva
|
Post by thrashinuva on Mar 6, 2019 15:56:10 GMT -6
I cast a single vote for "WHAT!?".
I don't really want hidden cheats to affect the game in any way.
|
|
thrashinuva
Master Alchemist
[TI2] I'm interested in this.
Posts: 627
inherit
16
0
Aug 1, 2019 12:46:32 GMT -6
411
thrashinuva
[TI2] I'm interested in this.
627
May 28, 2015 15:13:26 GMT -6
May 2015
thrashinuva
|
Post by thrashinuva on Mar 5, 2019 20:36:30 GMT -6
It's strange to think it's been over 4 years already.
|
|
thrashinuva
Master Alchemist
[TI2] I'm interested in this.
Posts: 627
inherit
16
0
Aug 1, 2019 12:46:32 GMT -6
411
thrashinuva
[TI2] I'm interested in this.
627
May 28, 2015 15:13:26 GMT -6
May 2015
thrashinuva
|
Post by thrashinuva on Mar 5, 2019 20:33:22 GMT -6
First of all how dare you.
Second of all I think it's a silly thing to worry about whether someone has backed the project or not. Individually each person (typically) constitutes less than a percent of a percent of the total backer amount, add to that additional investment from third party companies and the total that one backer has contributed is extremely small. One could say that the difference between 0.0002 is and 0 is infinite, but in this case I think the difference really is just 0.0002 (give or take). Prohibit anxieties.
|
|
thrashinuva
Master Alchemist
[TI2] I'm interested in this.
Posts: 627
inherit
16
0
Aug 1, 2019 12:46:32 GMT -6
411
thrashinuva
[TI2] I'm interested in this.
627
May 28, 2015 15:13:26 GMT -6
May 2015
thrashinuva
|
Post by thrashinuva on Jan 12, 2019 12:43:25 GMT -6
StarsmithYou're right it was perhaps too strong of a stance. I still feel that a person under those circumstances should be more cautious, and as a result not acting as if it's a stranger occurrence that it actually is.
|
|
thrashinuva
Master Alchemist
[TI2] I'm interested in this.
Posts: 627
inherit
16
0
Aug 1, 2019 12:46:32 GMT -6
411
thrashinuva
[TI2] I'm interested in this.
627
May 28, 2015 15:13:26 GMT -6
May 2015
thrashinuva
|
Post by thrashinuva on Jan 11, 2019 6:00:12 GMT -6
Aztec I sort of agree with that. Even if what you said was false (I believe it's true), a person who is typically interested in reviving a franchise, not based on the name of it, but by the director, should also be the kind of person who is likely to own a new system, even if they didn't plan to. Of course there are those who fall through the cracks, but the scenario still presents a person who is likely to be buying a new system eventually, even if they don't have one by the time the game comes out. There's a decent chance I could have been this kind of person. I intended to play on PC from the very beginning, because I believed that multi-platform development usually resulted in PC usually being the best platform, and so I believed it'd surely be available to play on PC by the end of it. If that wasn't the case, then PS4 is the only system I have that could potentially play the game, and if I was financially in a situation now as when I got my PS4, I wouldn't have it. However, I would get one eventually. I don't buy games for the consoles, I buy consoles for the games. Mine is not the only reasoning that I believe is valid, here. I just feel that some reasoning at all should be expected when investing/gambling. A casino will not give you back your money just because you regret it. They'll kick you out instead if you complain too much. Again it's a little different from a casino because there's liability here, but it's very similar.
|
|
thrashinuva
Master Alchemist
[TI2] I'm interested in this.
Posts: 627
inherit
16
0
Aug 1, 2019 12:46:32 GMT -6
411
thrashinuva
[TI2] I'm interested in this.
627
May 28, 2015 15:13:26 GMT -6
May 2015
thrashinuva
|
Post by thrashinuva on Jan 10, 2019 16:26:47 GMT -6
So far I would agree. If at the end of it it's a game I dislike, I won't be complaining about it unless it's got severe issues (like MN9).
Although from the standpoint of hindsight being 20/20 I guess it still kind of applies, but it's more of a lesson for the future rather than a criticism of the past.
|
|
thrashinuva
Master Alchemist
[TI2] I'm interested in this.
Posts: 627
inherit
16
0
Aug 1, 2019 12:46:32 GMT -6
411
thrashinuva
[TI2] I'm interested in this.
627
May 28, 2015 15:13:26 GMT -6
May 2015
thrashinuva
|
Post by thrashinuva on Jan 10, 2019 15:49:04 GMT -6
When someone gambles their life savings away, a good question to ask is whether or not they are capable of making good decisions for themselves. Investment is a little different from gambling, but both demand that the payer has an understanding of the consequences.
This is linked from the bottom of the Bloodstained Kickstarter page through "Learn about accountability on Kickstarter". The proposal isn't "you shouldn't have backed at all". The proposal is "you should make investment choices while being aware of the consequences". Any and all expectations aren't for some reason validated based on the money you've spent, and it is my advice that if a person does not understand that, then they should be more careful about how they spend their money.
|
|
thrashinuva
Master Alchemist
[TI2] I'm interested in this.
Posts: 627
inherit
16
0
Aug 1, 2019 12:46:32 GMT -6
411
thrashinuva
[TI2] I'm interested in this.
627
May 28, 2015 15:13:26 GMT -6
May 2015
thrashinuva
|
Post by thrashinuva on Jan 10, 2019 12:18:34 GMT -6
My intellectual honesty demands that I back my opinions by as much incontrovertible evidence as possible. This means I don't throw out baseless descriptions such as "threats" and "fallacy", without having any proper reasoning to demonstrate where it even comes from. It also demands that I don't hurdle a ton of accusations as 505 Games on the simple basis of "I feel bad". Obligations come in many forms, for example, and though you feel one way doesn't mean that reality is another way. Money is not an unlimited supply, and at the end of the day choices do have to be made. The obligation to put out a product at all is much higher than the obligation to put out a product in a fashion that everyone can utilize.
|
|
thrashinuva
Master Alchemist
[TI2] I'm interested in this.
Posts: 627
inherit
16
0
Aug 1, 2019 12:46:32 GMT -6
411
thrashinuva
[TI2] I'm interested in this.
627
May 28, 2015 15:13:26 GMT -6
May 2015
thrashinuva
|
Post by thrashinuva on Jan 10, 2019 7:23:00 GMT -6
For everyone saying "if they proved the product was good no one would get a refund", I don't think that's a fair statement. Opening it up to refunds is a fairly abusable opportunity, and not everyone in this world is a saint.
Everyone should also realize that losing support of a couple of platforms is not in itself a failure to provide the end-product. The end-product will still exist, just without specific parts of it. A backer may have backed specifically for that missing part, but the end product still exists. Providing a refund to those affected in this circumstance is not something that I find to be legally required, but to be a good PR opportunity as well as being morally upright.
Additionally, if Mac or Linux is the only platform you were able to play this game, I don't think you should have backed the campaign at all. That is in my mind an enthusiast level decision being made from the standpoint of a non-enthusiast. I can't find fault with those who are upset, but I do find fault with those who act as if nothing could ever have gone wrong during the very beginning of the campaign.
If you're upset, but you realize the complexity of the situation, then I'm with you 100%.
|
|
thrashinuva
Master Alchemist
[TI2] I'm interested in this.
Posts: 627
inherit
16
0
Aug 1, 2019 12:46:32 GMT -6
411
thrashinuva
[TI2] I'm interested in this.
627
May 28, 2015 15:13:26 GMT -6
May 2015
thrashinuva
|
Post by thrashinuva on Jan 9, 2019 19:38:34 GMT -6
I can't answer this because we simply don't have enough information. The lack of information on this matter is itself a point of contention.
It's also highly possible that many of the backer incentives have already been paid for, and cannot be recouped with refunds in the mix. If it's possible to refund these backers without much consequence, then I should hope that would be among the highest of priorities.
Addressing a point made in another thread, if the backers who chose Windows vs Mac/Linux cannot be differentiated, then I would deem this impossible to accomplish, and if this is the case, I would expect that to be communicated.
|
|
thrashinuva
Master Alchemist
[TI2] I'm interested in this.
Posts: 627
inherit
16
0
Aug 1, 2019 12:46:32 GMT -6
411
thrashinuva
[TI2] I'm interested in this.
627
May 28, 2015 15:13:26 GMT -6
May 2015
thrashinuva
|
Post by thrashinuva on Jan 9, 2019 16:34:00 GMT -6
This change does not affect me.
I understand the perspective of those that are upset over this. I would not ask them to get over it. I feel that Mac and Linux platforms have the expectation of not properly being able to play most games. I also feel that this particular kickstarter campaign had the feel of "a game for everyone". It's not a surprise to me that these platforms were dropped, but at the same time where does the difference lie in those platforms being dropped versus anything else? If every platform was to be dropped except for one I don't have, then what room do I have to complain if I dismissed the complaints of those who were in the same position as me some time before?
It's not exactly the "wrong" decision for them to have made, but it doesn't really seem like the "right" decision, either. Simply put, it's an unsatisfactory resolution.
I am ignorant of everything that could or could not be done, but that is also clearly by design, whether that design be a good or a bad one. Whether us being left in the dark is good or bad, it is to be expected that whenever things of negative consequence take place, we are to be upset because of it. Without any clear or proper reasoning to justify it, we have nothing but possibility, and in those possibilities are things of further potentially negative consequences.
It seems like it must be a simple thing to provide some sort of guidance as to how the game could be played on these platforms, or at least what roadblocks there are to prevent it from playing on these platforms. It's also hard for us to make the determination that the backer dollar amount for Linux and Mac platforms exceeded an amount to be considered consequential.
It also seems clear that from a PR standpoint, this was clearly the wrong decision to make. The communication so far is summarized quite simply as "the kickstarter funds we had dried up, so now we are no longer beholden to the backers, and only to 505 Games who still funds us". This is simply advice at this point: Don't put out that message. It's a stupid move.
|
|
thrashinuva
Master Alchemist
[TI2] I'm interested in this.
Posts: 627
inherit
16
0
Aug 1, 2019 12:46:32 GMT -6
411
thrashinuva
[TI2] I'm interested in this.
627
May 28, 2015 15:13:26 GMT -6
May 2015
thrashinuva
|
Post by thrashinuva on Jul 2, 2018 20:19:04 GMT -6
Absolutely do not change them unless those specific backers wish for them to be changed. I'm not the type to say "I can't believe this is even a discussion", but I can't believe this is even a discussion. They paid quite a hefty price for it, and what happens to each and every one of them should lie in the decisions of those who paid that price. I talk about how backer content shouldn't be made available to non-backers, but I feel much more strongly about these portraits than anything else, or any other of the tiered in game rewards. One of the things that has been bothering me that I have see on other forums, is people complaining they are in the game and wanting a switch to toggle them off and on. That hardly seems fair for the people who spent the money to essentially be in the game. The people who backed the project knew the pictures were going to be in it. It wasn't hidden to anyone. I understand their reasoning. They want to completely immerse themselves. However it was clear from the beginning that what was being advertised was not a totally immersive experience, and even with that said the portraits really don't detract from anything. You can imagine anything from them. Maybe they were alchemists, or Gebel's benefactors, or something else. Btw I really do think yours came out the best, and I really wouldn't want to see it go. When I first saw it I thought "that person must like Drakengard 3". I don't know if you do or not, never thought I'd have the chance to find out.
|
|
thrashinuva
Master Alchemist
[TI2] I'm interested in this.
Posts: 627
inherit
16
0
Aug 1, 2019 12:46:32 GMT -6
411
thrashinuva
[TI2] I'm interested in this.
627
May 28, 2015 15:13:26 GMT -6
May 2015
thrashinuva
|
Post by thrashinuva on Jul 2, 2018 17:40:22 GMT -6
Absolutely do not change them unless those specific backers wish for them to be changed. I'm not the type to say "I can't believe this is even a discussion", but I can't believe this is even a discussion. They paid quite a hefty price for it, and what happens to each and every one of them should lie in the decisions of those who paid that price.
I talk about how backer content shouldn't be made available to non-backers, but I feel much more strongly about these portraits than anything else, or any other of the tiered in game rewards.
|
|
thrashinuva
Master Alchemist
[TI2] I'm interested in this.
Posts: 627
inherit
16
0
Aug 1, 2019 12:46:32 GMT -6
411
thrashinuva
[TI2] I'm interested in this.
627
May 28, 2015 15:13:26 GMT -6
May 2015
thrashinuva
|
Post by thrashinuva on Jun 30, 2018 17:21:52 GMT -6
So I see much of what people are saying. This is personally not very important to me, and I can see points where I agree and points where I disagree.
I would say that my preference lies in maintaining a high level of detail, and refraining from an excess of lighting. That said, I feel that both the dark versions of pictures and the light versions of pictures may lie on extremes, and that a compromise between the two may be ideal.
|
|
thrashinuva
Master Alchemist
[TI2] I'm interested in this.
Posts: 627
inherit
16
0
Aug 1, 2019 12:46:32 GMT -6
411
thrashinuva
[TI2] I'm interested in this.
627
May 28, 2015 15:13:26 GMT -6
May 2015
thrashinuva
|
Post by thrashinuva on Jun 30, 2018 11:06:55 GMT -6
This is something I've experienced as well.
|
|
thrashinuva
Master Alchemist
[TI2] I'm interested in this.
Posts: 627
inherit
16
0
Aug 1, 2019 12:46:32 GMT -6
411
thrashinuva
[TI2] I'm interested in this.
627
May 28, 2015 15:13:26 GMT -6
May 2015
thrashinuva
|
Post by thrashinuva on Jun 29, 2018 21:40:26 GMT -6
I assumed this was intentional, but did not realize they'd adhere to the ceiling as when I did it in a larger room they came crashing down after a while.
|
|
thrashinuva
Master Alchemist
[TI2] I'm interested in this.
Posts: 627
inherit
16
0
Aug 1, 2019 12:46:32 GMT -6
411
thrashinuva
[TI2] I'm interested in this.
627
May 28, 2015 15:13:26 GMT -6
May 2015
thrashinuva
|
Post by thrashinuva on Jun 29, 2018 21:38:08 GMT -6
I want exactly what Autumn suggested. Keep the voices, but don't force me to sit through the text box each and every time.
|
|
thrashinuva
Master Alchemist
[TI2] I'm interested in this.
Posts: 627
inherit
16
0
Aug 1, 2019 12:46:32 GMT -6
411
thrashinuva
[TI2] I'm interested in this.
627
May 28, 2015 15:13:26 GMT -6
May 2015
thrashinuva
|
Post by thrashinuva on Jun 29, 2018 21:36:09 GMT -6
Oh I made a thread asking for this. Didn't see this one until now.
|
|
thrashinuva
Master Alchemist
[TI2] I'm interested in this.
Posts: 627
inherit
16
0
Aug 1, 2019 12:46:32 GMT -6
411
thrashinuva
[TI2] I'm interested in this.
627
May 28, 2015 15:13:26 GMT -6
May 2015
thrashinuva
|
Post by thrashinuva on Jun 29, 2018 21:35:23 GMT -6
I'm okay with the silence. I think it adds to the gloominess and the tension.
|
|
thrashinuva
Master Alchemist
[TI2] I'm interested in this.
Posts: 627
inherit
16
0
Aug 1, 2019 12:46:32 GMT -6
411
thrashinuva
[TI2] I'm interested in this.
627
May 28, 2015 15:13:26 GMT -6
May 2015
thrashinuva
|
Post by thrashinuva on Jun 29, 2018 21:34:43 GMT -6
As someone who uses a PS4 controller on my PC, I've also noticed a number of others who do the same, and I always enjoy the option to choose to have PS4 button prompts on screen instead of the Xbox buttons. I've only known a number of games that have done this, and a number of player mods to make it happen as well.
It's not something that is extremely necessary, nor would I qualify it as a major quality of life change, but I would classify it as significant. No doubt these assets will exist due to the ports of the game, and I simply suggest to include them as an option for PC players.
|
|