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Post by Scuttlest on Dec 4, 2015 17:39:21 GMT -6
Shader 1 for Miriam, but Shader 2 for the backgrounds.
Shader 1 in the backgrounds is a little too clean looking. Doesn't have the 'dark' feel I'd prefer in a gothic setting. Shader 2 supplies what is closer to what I want.
Conversely, Miriam herself looks much better in Shader 1. I don't think that I can convey it in words very well, her skin, and particularly her face look "off" with Shader 2.
I find myself leaning toward Shader 1. *votes*
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Post by Leon on Dec 4, 2015 17:40:46 GMT -6
Wasted 30 minutes of my life. For science!
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Post by Sun of May on Dec 4, 2015 17:46:33 GMT -6
Wasted 30 minutes of my life. For science! I like it!!! Your shader wins. haha
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Post by BalancedHydra on Dec 4, 2015 17:48:27 GMT -6
At first, I was half and half. I love the way Miriam looks in Shader 1 and I like the atmosphere of Shader 2. Now that I had the time to take in the details, I'm leaning towards Shader 1. Why? I'm really digging the tinted fog idea.
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Post by Dan G. on Dec 4, 2015 17:48:59 GMT -6
I honestly think the backgrounds could use a bit more of a gritty realistic look. Not in terms of coloring or anything but in terms of straight up detail. It reminds me a bit of Mighty Number 9 as of right now. ( not a bash i like how it looks so far) just my two cents.
A good example of what would be preferred imo is how backgrounds looked in lament of innocence. It had a more realistic vibe about them.
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Post by ohoni on Dec 4, 2015 17:49:05 GMT -6
Shader 1, but both still need to be more cell shaded, so that it become indistinguishable from hand drawn sprites, like Cyberconnect's Naruto games.
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Post by gunlord500 on Dec 4, 2015 18:04:02 GMT -6
Shader 1 looks much better to me too.
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Post by Dan G. on Dec 4, 2015 18:25:26 GMT -6
I think they should really take to the artstyle of Lament Of Innocence. The one critique I have is it all looks too CLEAN. Too sterile. Look at how cartoony it looks compared to this - i.ytimg.com/vi/qcMBmZxOlDs/maxresdefault.jpg
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Post by bloodstainedmiriam on Dec 4, 2015 18:32:07 GMT -6
I really prefer Shader 1. It just looks a lot more detailed than Shader 2.
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Post by Scars Unseen on Dec 4, 2015 18:36:06 GMT -6
Here's what I posted in the KS comments:
Shader #1 looks better up close. But Shader #2 has more potential in my eyes with one major tweak. Give Miriam some anime style high contrast shading and lighting, and I think we'd be hitting a good 2D vibe with Shader #2. As is, she's TOO flat; it kind of reminds me of Attack on Titan before the BluRay update.
In fact, if you're going for a 2D appearance with the shaders, you may want to experiment with simpler flatter character textures and emphasize the shading and lighting. Currently the textured cloth kind of looks at odds with the flattened appearance the shader gives.
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Post by Cale on Dec 4, 2015 18:37:23 GMT -6
I like the Miriam in shader #1 and the environment in shader #2, but it's hard for me to choose. Wow, I did the Google form already, but that's my thoughts exactly! Miriam in shader #1 feels warm, vibrant and alive. A great contrast to the oppressive, cold, and malevolent atmosphere of shader #2. The hatching lines are cool, but I feel a bit too jarring. I am hoping they try a combination of the two. As for the environment in shader #1, it seemed too cheery to me. Although the wine haze it seemed to cast was unique! Both were great, can't wait to see the other 2!
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Post by Zankoukanshokai on Dec 4, 2015 19:13:03 GMT -6
Choosing which shader I prefer took quite some time. I chose Shader 1 because Miriam's character model looks better than in Shader 2. On the other hand, Shader 2 presents a dark and gothic style background, which I also like. However, Shader 1 to me seems closer to the concept art of the game. I look forward to see the remaining 2 shaders. Overall, I like both shaders. It was really hard to choose which one is better.
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Post by XombieMike on Dec 4, 2015 20:08:04 GMT -6
I edited my first post to include these transitions. I still haven't decided which one I like better, but I'm leaning to shader 1 with a suggestion of less red and more of a gothic blue light like the second shader.
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Post by CastleDan on Dec 4, 2015 20:15:49 GMT -6
I edited my first post to include these transitions. I still haven't decided which one I like better, but I'm leaning to shader 1 with a suggestion of less red and more of a gothic blue light like the second shader. There's definitely more life in the first one. It's still got too much of a 'Mighty Number 9' feel to the backgrounds for my taste though. I could totally live with it and I'm not trying to knock down the people working on it. I just figure we should be as open as possible about this.
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Post by XombieMike on Dec 4, 2015 20:29:05 GMT -6
CastleDan I understand your concern with backgrounds needing to looked lived in and detailed. The purpose of this was to help give a direction for shaders, so don't be concerned with that at this point. Level of detail in backgrounds has always been a strong part of IGA's games, and like Matt Papa said on the last BCB episode: They will work on it until IGA is happy with the quality of the art.
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Post by CastleDan on Dec 4, 2015 20:29:43 GMT -6
It is gone lol
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Post by XombieMike on Dec 4, 2015 20:35:56 GMT -6
This thread is about preference of shader 1 vs shader 2, not comparing the game to Mighty No 9.
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Post by CastleDan on Dec 4, 2015 20:45:56 GMT -6
This thread is about preference of shader 1 vs shader 2, not comparing the game to Mighty No 9. It all deals with the visual style. imo Which is the thing they're trying to nail down. I mean I'll stop talking about it if you want but if we are discussing the visuals of the game and this will clearly be the one topic where everyone will do that...I feel like everything should be addressed.
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Post by XombieMike on Dec 4, 2015 20:50:44 GMT -6
Indeed, but that would be a different topic that you could create.
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Post by CastleDan on Dec 4, 2015 20:52:49 GMT -6
Indeed, but that would be a different topic that you could create. This thread is too popular for my topic to even have people come in and discuss anything.... but...... okay...
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