Bloodstained in 4K

yeah I know what you mean, the cheapest ones I can find are in the $300-$500 range... a lot to spend for a monitor.. I was going to get a monitor too but decided against it... a semi-decent 4k monitor (that doesn't run hdmi 2.0 by the way) cost roughly $400... I'll just connect my (future) laptop to my (future) tv viva hdmi (sadly the laptop will only be hdmi 1.4 compatible oh well.. I would think 2 NVIDIA® GTX 980M could handle 4k at 60fps)

but yeah if you are gonna get a new monitor get one that you'd be happy with. And if you go for a 4k display do a lot of research... a lot of companies are selling "snake oil" and people are gobbling it up thinking they are getting true 4k screens.

Unless you are in Canada it seems lol. Then things go up in price. Damn you PS4!

I saw some 4K tvs on display in a Wal-mart this past weekend. I paused briefly to check it out and it definitely looked really really good, but I couldn't tell much difference between it and say a blu-ray playing on my 1080p tv at home. I was about 5' away. It had some nature scene playing as a demo. Probably some designed-for-4k-demos thing. Anyway, thought I would mention here that 4k tvs have made there way to backwoods Wal-mart stores. It's the first time I've seen them in a Wal-mart around here.

But I really want to know though,
Is it really necessary for Bloodstained to be in 4K?
and I know in the next 2 years or so, 4K resolution maybe will become the standard in the living room.
But for a platforming game to be 4K, that seems kinda overkill for me, though I want to see the game to be supported in 4K

Iga's biggest castle yet, entirely in 4k. Maybe in 2027.

Also realize how monitor speed works. a 120 hz 1080 native display is going to respond faster than a 120 hz 4k display every single time and with less blur. I don't know if its even a smart idea to consider building a game for 4k resolutions when our current monitors unless you really do your research can be laggy little shits all by themselves. ASUS and BenQ are pretty good places to start looking for monitor options but damn if 4k isn't still expensive. We'll probably see 4k resolution be standard about the time 10k resolution becomes where 4k is now in a couple of years. Then it'll all be the "oh god yes 10k" without a single thought to how bad the response time will be on those monstrosities.

That said it's also relevant to actual physical size of the monitor so i guess a 10k monitor at about 22-24" could be possible to have extremely low response time / input lag / motion blur but i certainly wouldn't jump on it early. BIG gamble.

Bold / underline explain a great deal of my gaming past outside platformers... Tons of both on top of being a "tournament level" Unreal Tournament and Soul Calibur player in my youth. that said...

Opinions are what they are but its as big of a drawback for those guys who come from "Twitch" backgrounds who will be annoyed by that the most. I'm not arguing against Bloodstained being 4k compatible. I'm simply pointing out something that I've been dealing with since Monitors took over most TV's in performance since like 2005-ish. To the point where I've tailored most of my gaming experiences around the idea of minimizing that kind of delay. Not just that some companies take ques from this and one particular BenQ was working with the FGC and EVO organizer to get the most minimal delay monitor they could produced and it was used IIRC for this years EVO. If you're playing something turn based, or a "relaxed" game (which to be honest I'm not entirely sure what would be classified as such because from my point of view no game can sustain a disconnecting delay between you and what you're doing without irritation setting in somewhere) then yeah I can see it having no actual effect.

Its also not just the monitor, that's true. If you compare say Dark Souls and Bloodborne, the former is crisp and clean while latter has a delay in just about everything  you do. It's one of the most irritating things I deal with in that game because apparently it's built into its game engine. No Castlevania title has suffered from noticeable delay that I've heard of or experienced, so it goes to reason that Bloodstained would follow suit with crisp clean gameplay. I don't expect unreasonable standards, just crisp control.

I also didn't mean these post to sound vitriolic. Text sucks at inferring.

It should be noted though that game mode doesn't usually solve the problem. If it were that simple, we wouldn't need to buy Asus and BenQ monitors to play any game competitively...because that's pretty much how it is. If a tournament doesn't have acceptable models from those two companies, it's probably not an actual tournament lol. I researched televisions to where I settled on a good 37" Panasonic, but finding things like that is pretty difficult, and especially was back when I got it since displaylag.com didn't exist yet iirc, and that little stat still isn't advertised. They'll talk about things like refresh rate on gaming monitors, but that's not the same thing...

Anyway, yeah, 4k would be cool. I just don't know if it'd be worth the extra time and work for this relatively small team. Not only do they not have experience in that, but hardly anyone else does yet either. It'd make it even more of an issue for Armature to do the Vita and Wii U ports. I imagine 4k will be a thing for Western games for a while before Japan tries. We're much bigger tech nuts as far as graphical fidelity.

(TL;DR) If nothing else (delay aside) imagine the horsepower you have to produce 4k for and the small audience that would actually benefit from it. (PC).

Neither of the current 8th Generation consoles (PS4 / Xbone) are remotely capable of 4k resolution. That's a big job for a bout 1/3rd maybe slightly less of your potential audience... but who cares about economics here, we're enthusiast so lets get on to the actual "problem" (its not really a problem) with 4k resolutions right now.

First things first just read the first part about UHD and 4k. If you already know the numbers and resolutions just ignore this. = en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4K_resolution

That said 4k is around 50% larger than your average 1080p, rocking the scales for sake of this argument at 3840 x 2160, the native "4k" youtube resolution. vs the 1920 x 1080 everyone is already familiar with. While the first comparison here deals with benefits and economics this numbers game is a whole different monster. Consider a graphics card for a PC with 256m DDR4 ram /w about 4gigs of memory may or may not like 4k, its really up in the air, and even if the card does do "4k" it's going to suffer in performance depending on graphic fidelity and how Bloodstained is programmed to operate in the first place. All in all doing this in native 4k would be out of the question simply based on presumed power of the rigs involved.

I'm currently building a PC the specs aren't finished but essentially its likely going to run the combo of I7-6700k, GTX 980 ti, 16g DDR4 3200 ram. At least that's the plan. That rig would be able to handle 4k I'm fairly certain but that's also about 2000 USD by the final build. Could a 4k box be built cheaper, I'm sure. but just as an example that's what I'm looking at by comparison for future growth and to run 1080 absolutely flawlessly. The market for 4k is out there, that's not in question. But the market as it sits for native is going to be small even by PC guy standards who are literally the only guys who are allowed to care since the consoles are already outdated and in the end game designers can choose graphic power or expansive game design based on what they're building.

That said I don't see why Bloodstained specifically would even have that problem in the first place based on that particular "rig" because the 4k shown and effects probably wont be the far side of ridiculous as I've noticed from the past that Iga milks subtlety for all its worth and takes a detailed yet not over the top approach. To be fair though, we all really have no idea how the games engine itself will scale and what may happen to up-scaling technology from now to release... It is due in "2017". (writing that date made my inner cyberpunk squee a bit... I want my robot body damnit!)