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Post by JeffCross on Oct 2, 2015 3:23:52 GMT -6
It may be possibe, i have only a single question: WHY? I did extensive research on the web some years ago and too high resolutions are only perceived under the right circunstances, like 1080p resolutions only makes sense on a TV 42" or higher and watching at only 2 meters from the TV (this to begin to perceive the visual differences), the logic seems quite right as i understand. (look for the charts) Please, can you inform this fact to the all smartphone manufacturers? Today there are phones with 4k screen which is just plain dumb. Thanks. actually with 4k, the closer you are the better it looks (mind you not stupid close) so it makes sense to have a 4k display on a cell phone.
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Post by JeffCross on Oct 2, 2015 23:29:27 GMT -6
this is the calculator to see how close you need to be to a screen to be able to distinguish every pixel per inch. isthisretina.com/ Pretty much proves 4k on a phone is a joke. If you have a 10" tablet you need to be 7" or closer to get the full value of 2160p resolution. Most the times my phone is about 1.5' from my face, never any closer than a foot (if I am looking at it, not talking ). They say ~330 pixels per inch is the golden rule for a phone, 4k is 802 pixels per inch on a 5.5" screen. so on that 5.5" phone, you have to be 4" away to get every ppi on 2160p, you have to be 9" away to get every ppi on 1080p. 13" for 720p. Got that 4k 65" TV? you need to be 4 feet or closer to actually get the full effect, it is ~8.5 feet for 1080p, so if you are sitting about 6 feet from a 65" tv you "might" notice a difference. I sit about 8 feet from my 32" TV. edit: clarifying some stuff Ok I am not here to raise 4k on a pedestal (if there were people harshing on SD and HD I'd still say something), whatever type of resolution you are happy with, cool. but don't down something cause you think it's useless... this is the same thing that happened to HD when it was coming out... people were saying there is no point to upgrading to "yada, yada. yada" well now HD is the standard. I bet the same argument of, "there is no point to have 1080p screens... it just stupid" again now it's a standard. All of these arguments have been heard. but 4k is still coming and will be a standard in a few years... then people will complain about 8k resolution. About being 7" close to get the full value... that's not right, around 7" is when you will start to see a difference. you can get farther if you want... it is not a NEED... people that are ranting about this technology most likely doesn't own it. so in closing for those of you interested in 4k click here it is the most honest 4k explanation I can find... they don't rave about it, they just state facts about it. after this I will no longer counter argue the 4k point anymore.
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Post by threadbare on Oct 9, 2015 19:41:32 GMT -6
I just hope it can run on 60fps.
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Post by JeffCross on Oct 10, 2015 3:44:12 GMT -6
yeah me too. that would be awesome
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Post by Ghalion on Oct 10, 2015 4:29:11 GMT -6
Are there any side scrolling games that do NOT run at 60fps?
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Post by JeffCross on Oct 10, 2015 8:43:35 GMT -6
Are there any side scrolling games that do NOT run at 60fps? hmmm....? your right... but does anyone have a ps4 connected to a 4k tv? the output is HDMI 1.4 which will play 4k content but only at 30fps... I cannot wait till game systems play 4k content in 60fps. So because side scrolling games usually don't push the systems GPU, it might run at 60fps... but I don't really know. can anyone confirm this?
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Post by nekurors on Oct 10, 2015 12:02:35 GMT -6
Are there any side scrolling games that do NOT run at 60fps? You can bet there is, like MN9, tried on my old computer (i3 + intel integrated gpu) and it isn't playable even at minimum settings (below 20 fps), which means it runs Fallout 3, Far Cry 2, etc better than it. The reason is simple, they are using a modern 3D engine to make the games, everything is in 3D except the movement direction, which means it is quite demanding. Bloodstained is supposed to be even harder to run than MN9 since they are using state-of-art UE4 engine, these games are NOT based on 2D sprites, they make use of 3D rendering (tons of polygons and textures).
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Post by Ghalion on Oct 10, 2015 12:08:44 GMT -6
That isnt sub 60fps by design though...
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Post by JeffCross on Oct 11, 2015 15:04:10 GMT -6
can you imagine if there is a part of the castle where the the walls are alive? I would love to see that in UHD... pulsating veins in the walls, slime, ooze... the slight breathing or muscle contractions surrounding the character? all in 4k...
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Post by ghaleon on Oct 11, 2015 22:42:15 GMT -6
I totally can imagine it in 4k.. because I don't sit close enough to my not huge monitor to be able to see the difference... and my eyesight is good btw =P.
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Post by JeffCross on Oct 11, 2015 23:35:36 GMT -6
I totally can imagine it in 4k.. because I don't sit close enough to my not huge monitor to be able to see the difference... and my eyesight is good btw =P. What? I was trying to take this thread into a positive light... please stop trolling
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Post by gunlord500 on Oct 11, 2015 23:52:33 GMT -6
I don't think he was trollin, Jeffcross, just jokin around a lil bit, maybe
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Post by ghaleon on Oct 12, 2015 0:37:25 GMT -6
Yes I was, but I don't care now.. I'm VERY interested to know where else I've been trolling to justify such an accusation...
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Post by JeffCross on Oct 12, 2015 0:44:24 GMT -6
Yes I was, but I don't care now.. I'm VERY interested to know where else I've been trolling to justify such an accusation... this thread was attacked by a troll so it's not you, but because of that, I was trying to steer this thread toward a positive light. so I am sorry for calling you a troll. but I wanted a serious conversation on the subject... and it's sad, I most likely won't get it.
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Post by ghaleon on Oct 12, 2015 1:11:53 GMT -6
If you mean Ghalion.. that's me, not that I think I trolled then either, and re-reading the thread, I don't think anyone else was trolling either... and incidentally, my original reply was not antagonistic or anything towards your op, but my personal opinions do not favor 4k anything, but I didn't mention them without insulting my own monitor size and mentioning how close I sit to it because I didn't want to offend hyper-sensitive people who would try to punish me for being evil.
I imagine your 'troll' is someone whose posts have been deleted, and I haven't seen them, but now I'm reluctant to dismiss their position because of how quickly I have been labeled. Not sure why I'm writing this, but given some fairly recent drama on here regarding me personally, I guess I'm just less willing to brush it off.
I don't hate your or blame you or anything Jeff. But the whole accusation mentality I've been seeing online in general is honestly scaring me, and this seems as appropriate as any a place to mention it.
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Post by JeffCross on Oct 12, 2015 2:28:50 GMT -6
If you mean Ghalion.. that's me, not that I think I trolled then either, and re-reading the thread, I don't think anyone else was trolling either... and incidentally, my original reply was not antagonistic or anything towards your op, but my personal opinions do not favor 4k anything, but I didn't mention them without insulting my own monitor size and mentioning how close I sit to it because I didn't want to offend hyper-sensitive people who would try to punish me for being evil. I imagine your 'troll' is someone whose posts have been deleted, and I haven't seen them, but now I'm reluctant to dismiss their position because of how quickly I have been labeled. Not sure why I'm writing this, but given some fairly recent drama on here regarding me personally, I guess I'm just less willing to brush it off. I don't hate your or blame you or anything Jeff. But the whole accusation mentality I've been seeing online in general is honestly scaring me, and this seems as appropriate as any a place to mention it. again it's not you. I am not usually this sensitive, it takes a lot for me to get mad and if I do I just stay away from the place that got me mad... the antagonist was a person called stimpy the first post they wrote wasn't bad (it is saved on the first page as a quoted), but the follow up was bad... what he wrote after had me seriously thinking of leaving this forum (still thinking it)... it just stopped being fun. He used the first post to "bait" me into an argument... but I already said I was done debating 4k (all my arguments for 4k is on the first page)... than he called me a "toxic" or something... so yeah that was the troll, not you. so after that experience... I was a bit tired of people commenting on a 4k thread when they don't like 4k... anything. I understand you do not like 4k and I am ok with that. I don't think you are a bad or negative person, or anything like that... I see you were just joking, I understand. I jumped the gun and again I am sorry. but if you read the thread I, as I said in my last post, was trying to shift the focus of the thread into a positive place....
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Post by ghaleon on Oct 12, 2015 3:41:14 GMT -6
I forgive you, thank you for responding... I mentioned Ghalion because someone else thought that wasn't me for some reason (I'd name my guest uersname Ghaleon if I could but it doesn't let you, Ghalion is the closest I can think of).
I can't see said posts, but if someone is trolling you, there's a report button, and unless the staff told you to gtfo or something, which I doubt, since.. well, I can't see the post so th ey must have agreed with you that it was bad! I wouldn't feel bad about it! =)
As for your most recent post attempting to be positive, I understand and respect that, but I don't really think that's relevant here. I think you should respect negative opinions even if you want something positive as long as those opinions are respectful too.
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Post by JeffCross on Oct 12, 2015 11:25:13 GMT -6
yeah, I didn't notice there was a difference in the name (besides the obvious uppercase letter), I thought both of them were you... when most people read something they read the first letter (maybe the first two letters) and the last letter (maybe the last two letters) and to me they were the same name lol now that you pointed it out to me, I see the difference. Now getting back to the post, yes I don't mind opposite opinions and for the most part I respect them... actually in the thread Do we need Sub-weapons? Cale changed my mind on the whole matter... he was thorough and explained why he sub-weapons were good and though I still don't use many sub-weapons in my play through, I do have a deeper respect for them. now if people tell me why they do not like 4k I can take it. but don't use the myth of, "you HAVE to be this close to even tell the difference..." it's just not true. they said that about 1080p as well- now I'm just repeating myself (if you want to see my rebuttal check out my previous post on page one). there is a lot of hate for 4k and I know the them all, as I said I am getting a 4k tv (55 in. cause any bigger would be stupid... unless you have a bigger place which I do not have). I've read the pros and cons on owning a 4k tv (it took me nearly a month of reading to decide). look bottom line, real 4k (with real 4k content) will look better than 1080p no matter how you slice it... of course that is, when you are sitting at any standard distance from your tv (that mean however far away you sit from you tv right now)... it will look more fluid... And I understand there is little to no content out for it now. and yes it is stupid to buy one just to show off, it won't be worth it. (I am waiting for the price to go down right now) But the post is for Bloodstained in 4k... it will be out when 4k will be a standard or will be getting closer to becoming a standard... so the thread is not about if you like 4k or not it is weather you think Bloodstained will be in 4k and how you feel about it. if you don't think it is worth it, cool I will respect that. even people that will play it on a CRT tv and are happy with it cool, that is your preference and I will respect it... but hating something you don't have, never seen or hating something just because you've read that it's "stupid" is not an intelligent argument IMO...
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Post by Cale on Oct 12, 2015 13:33:34 GMT -6
If I could afford 4k I'd be all over it!
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Post by Apollonian on Oct 12, 2015 15:07:09 GMT -6
My sega genesis says it is high definition right on the system but I have to press my eyes against the screen to see it.
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