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Post by Goobsausage on Nov 1, 2016 12:45:36 GMT -6
Well... with the Wii U production ending, I guess that settles that. I heard some sources say the console could be shipped until 2018, but it looks like things are changing and I'm not sure if that's going to happen. I'd still like to see IGA and Fangamer communicate with the fans about the fate of the port in a video or survey/poll asking for feedback in a future backer update. As for the poll, I voted in favor of passing on the Wii U version of Bloodstained for a Switch version. My reasoning behind it is that the Switch would be the newer console, the Wii U would be on its way out by 2018, and there would be more of an audience on the Switch. I don't think a Wii U port just for a small amount of backers would be practical, but I'd like for them to get a chance to get refunds or change which console they want Bloodstained for, if that's possible. I feel sorry for Armature, though. It's tough to lose work like that.
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Post by arct1c0n on Nov 1, 2016 13:09:21 GMT -6
Honestly, the fairest option IF its finacially doable is to just provide a digital only version for Wii U. Beyond that, I think peeps are gonna have to get a free swap to a SWITCH or just get money back
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Post by Aztec on Nov 1, 2016 13:30:49 GMT -6
Honestly, the fairest option IF its finacially doable is to just provide a digital only version for Wii U. Beyond that, I think peeps are gonna have to get a free swap to a SWITCH or just get money back Making the port is the bulk of the cost. Printing some discs with cases to ship to retail is a minuscule cost in comparison to what it takes to port the game (and let's not forget about tinkering the UE4 to produce the WiiU port!). It makes no sense to do it even if you distribute it just digitally. They need to turn a profit and this digital WiiU port would be made only to satisfy a small number of backers many of whom may be willing to change their platform of choice to any of the other viable options anyway.
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Post by Aztec on Nov 1, 2016 13:33:52 GMT -6
Well... with the Wii U production ending, I guess that settles that. I heard some sources say the console could be shipped until 2018, but it looks like things are changing and I'm not sure if that's going to happen. I'd still like to see IGA and Fangamer communicate with the fans about the fate of the port in a video or survey/poll asking for feedback in a future backer update. As for the poll, I voted in favor of passing on the Wii U version of Bloodstained for a Switch version. My reasoning behind it is that the Switch would be the newer console, the Wii U would be on its way out by 2018, and there would be more of an audience on the Switch. I don't think a Wii U port just for a small amount of backers would be practical, but I'd like for them to get a chance to get refunds or change which console they want Bloodstained for, if that's possible. I feel sorry for Armature, though. It's tough to lose work like that. I disagree on the WiiU being on its way out by 2018. It was on it way out in 2016 and it's going to be euthanized in early 2017 with the switch. By 2018 you won't find any store shelf that still sells new WiiU products. I do agree on Iga needing to have this conversation with the backers and making his options clear as day and why switching for the Switch is the best and most viable option for the future of Bloodstained and it's hopes of turning into a successful and prolific franchise.
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Post by LordKaiser on Nov 1, 2016 21:03:14 GMT -6
If I where more selfish I would had voted Yes because is for the best but at the same time I feel bad for the Wii u owners who pledged to this game. Full compensation should be given to them in the form of a choice of refund or system change. (Even thought I doubt that people that bought a Wii U will stay on that console forever since you either eventually move to a newer console or PC.) I doubt monetary compensation will be given but hey the backers exclusive copy will be rare on itself so perhaps you could sell it for a scalping price.
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Post by giwagiwa on Nov 2, 2016 17:41:51 GMT -6
This poll should be locked to only the backers who chose the Wii U as their console of choice.
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Post by Scars Unseen on Nov 2, 2016 17:57:53 GMT -6
Aside from that being impossible(since there's no way to restrict people by tier on this forum) and pointless(since this isn't an official poll), it's also arguably imprudent. Whether or not funds get spent on a port for a platform that will be dead by the game's release or not is something that concerns everyone. Even if there are enough Wii U backer funds to entirely fund the port on its own(and I doubt it), that would essentially mean that the Wii U backers would only be funding the port rather than the game itself. If changing from a Wii U port to a Switch port is better for the overall future of the game, then everyone has a right to be heard on the matter.
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Post by XombieMike on Nov 2, 2016 18:14:27 GMT -6
Yep, Scars Unseen is correct. The official poll tied to backers would have to be done by FanGamer. Surprisingly though, past polls done here on the forum when compared percentage wise to official polls done by FanGamer have been very reflective of those results. So check the polls for the shaders against the results from the official polls to see what I mean. I think we have a good representation here on the forums.
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Post by purifyweirdshard on Nov 2, 2016 21:04:03 GMT -6
I'm glad to hear you say that. Usually when I bring up a forum poll, first response from someone is that it doesn't mean anything lol, sigh.
And yeah, this is certainly nothing official. I myself abstained because I'm not in for a Wii U version, but I think it's fine too for those that may not be to vote here.
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Post by ReySol on Nov 3, 2016 2:10:06 GMT -6
I have been thinking more. IGA should deliver the Wii U version because it was a part of the Kickstarter campaign. Armature is handling both Wii U and Vita ports and I hope they can finish their work. It is fair to make it because it was one of the goals of the Kickstarter. Many supporters backed for Wii U version, and as other goals, this one should be fulfilled. It doesn`t really matter if Wii U will be relevant or not in 2018, it matters that it was one of the goals/promises. At the moment of the campaign and coming up with stretch goals, they already knew that Wii U is at the end of its life cycle.
Now that Switch has been announced, it makes sense to make Bloodstained port for it as well. As Unreal engine 4 will be supported on NS, it will be easy enough to make a port. The NS port can be financed by the publisher and this version can do really well on the market. So, yeah, I am saying both Wii U and Switch versions should be done. Wii U as part of the campaign, and additional NS version which will probably sell very well.
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Post by Scars Unseen on Nov 3, 2016 4:51:23 GMT -6
Whether the Wii U version will sell or not is very relevant. While campaign goals are important, they aren't all important. Ultimately, a product needs to sell. Even when money isn't your primary goal for making something, if it doesn't make money, you can't make another product afterward(unless you've already got funds to keep you going in the long term).
The Wii U version shouldn't exist solely for the benefit of the backers, especially if porting the game would cost more money than the Wii U backers put in in the first place. Other Kickstarters have dropped ports when they were determined to be detrimental to the project, and IGA should be allowed the same latitude. How said backers are handled should such event occur is something that should be between him and them, but the existence of a port for a dead system is something that should carefully be considered, and not kept on solely because a plan was made before the system's imminent demise was known.
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Post by ReySol on Nov 3, 2016 5:24:16 GMT -6
I am sure IGA will launch a poll to the backers of the Wii U version and will make the best decision he can. Whatever happens, I will support him. If I had to choose now, I would pick the Switch version in the Kickstarter campaign. Switch seems really great because we would be able to play both on big HDTV screen and on the small screen wherever we are.
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Post by Redogan on Nov 3, 2016 6:08:28 GMT -6
I will add that if the Wii U port is made AND a Nintendo Switch version is made, then I will ADD a Switch copy of Bloodstained to my list. That will make it: PS4, Steam, Wii U, and Switch. Having yet another system for me to play the game on is a good thing in my household (multiple gamers).
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Post by Aztec on Nov 3, 2016 12:27:50 GMT -6
Whether the Wii U version will sell or not is very relevant. While campaign goals are important, they aren't all important. Ultimately, a product needs to sell. Even when money isn't your primary goal for making something, if it doesn't make money, you can't make another product afterward(unless you've already got funds to keep you going in the long term). The Wii U version shouldn't exist solely for the benefit of the backers, especially if porting the game would cost more money than the Wii U backers put in in the first place. Other Kickstarters have dropped ports when they were determined to be detrimental to the project, and IGA should be allowed the same latitude. How said backers are handled should such event occur is something that should be between him and them, but the existence of a port for a dead system is something that should carefully be considered, and not kept on solely because a plan was made before the system's imminent demise was known. Very well said. I couldn't agree more with this. As recent as the Shantae Kickstarter they dropped the once promised PS3 and 360 ports of the game while offering refunds for those who couldn't opt for a different platform option to little to no opprobrium from its backers. This is proof that it can be done because it has happened before. And if Iga thinks a WiiU version dampens the game's chances for success I'll support him through and through. As Ben Judd said: a Switch version gives the game a bigger chance of turning into a franchise than a WiiU does (which would be made almost exclusively for KS backers).
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Post by Replay on Nov 3, 2016 19:08:26 GMT -6
I have been thinking more. IGA should deliver the Wii U version because it was a part of the Kickstarter campaign. Armature is handling both Wii U and Vita ports and I hope they can finish their work. It is fair to make it because it was one of the goals of the Kickstarter. Many supporters backed for Wii U version, and as other goals, this one should be fulfilled. It doesn`t really matter if Wii U will be relevant or not in 2018, it matters that it was one of the goals/promises. At the moment of the campaign and coming up with stretch goals, they already knew that Wii U is at the end of its life cycle. Now that Switch has been announced, it makes sense to make Bloodstained port for it as well. As Unreal engine 4 will be supported on NS, it will be easy enough to make a port. The NS port can be financed by the publisher and this version can do really well on the market. So, yeah, I am saying both Wii U and Switch versions should be done. Wii U as part of the campaign, and additional NS version which will probably sell very well. The problem with wanting the Wii U supported is; my understanding is it's currently a hacked console which it's incredibly easy to run backup loaders and such because of kernel exploits. It's basically will be in the same state as the Wii is if it's not already there. This is definitely a problem when considering whether it's feasible to finance a port. It's already been said that shelf space in retail will be incredibly scarce for this stuff if not totally eliminated altogether, so spending resources on a port doesn't make sense at all. With IGA only initially expecting the KS to do 500K or so, how do we even know the Wii U and Vita ports were ran by and approved by him? I still remember how crazy the hype was during those 30 or so days with the pledged amount constantly going up and tons of stretch goals were added. Does anyone really think Nintendo themselves will care about you not being able to play the newest Smash Bros, Mario, and Splatoon on your Wii U console?
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Post by jboogieg on Nov 4, 2016 5:09:09 GMT -6
With IGA only initially expecting the KS to do 500K or so, how do we even know the Wii U and Vita ports were ran by and approved by him? I still remember how crazy the hype was during those 30 or so days with the pledged amount constantly going up and tons of stretch goals were added. During the campaign it was continuously talked about that stretch goals were discussed before being implemented. If we're going to believe that IGA is as hands on as he's shown himself to be it's kind of weird to posit that anything was done over his head. As for my opinion on things: well, I'm with IGA. He said it's something that they have to think about but they'd completely have a discussion with backers first with what they'd like to do and I'm fine with that. A thing to remember with Half Genie Hero is that the reason the PS3 and 360 versions were cancelled is that when the survey went out and people picked either one only was down at 1% of backers. Here's what they had to say:
"Some months back we asked you to please confirm your platform of choice, and there was a mass migration from the previous generation of consoles to Xbox One and PS4. Because we’re down to 1% of backers who still prefer Xbox 360 or PS3, we’ve made the difficult decision to cancel these versions of the game. We feel that the months it would take for the team to release these versions would be better spent on the game’s DLC, which serves the majority of Backers in the best possible way. We’ve been working through the remaining list of Backers who have no other means of enjoying the game, and are working with them one-on-one to make sure they’re taken care of in light of their very long wait for this product. If you fall into that category and have not heard from us yet, please contact us. Our goal is to make sure you can play the game, and that you are completely satisfied. — Wayforward"And this was 3 years after the KS ended. Well into this console cycle. Barring delays, Bloodstained will be out in 2018 so one year or so after the Switch debuts in March 2017. Certainly you want to do right by your product. But IGA seems like the type of person to also want to do right by his fans. And I think he will.
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Post by Foffy on Nov 4, 2016 9:49:46 GMT -6
Nintendo denied the existance of a revised 3DS model literally a week before they announced it. Their denial likely means nothing here. It's a save of face, and to get people to not abandon Wii U after hearing they aren't making more.
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