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Post by Galamoth on May 7, 2016 10:20:58 GMT -6
^No matter how they do it, in the end I'll be happy with buying a "Complete" or "GotY" Edition of Bloodstained afterwards. I mean...I've already mentioned that I'm buying 3 copies of this game (depending on if an NX port will eventually be released). Buying a "Complete" version of the game isn't a problem to me.
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Post by BalancedHydra on May 7, 2016 14:34:48 GMT -6
To be perfect honest. I am dreading a delay of the release of the physical copies for a reason. You see... I'm one of the thousands of backers that pledged for a physical ONLY copy of the game. If we would have to wait months for the 'Full' version of the game, we would getting the Might No.9 treatment... AGAIN!
Get digital? If we really wanted to, we would've pick that option over physical.
Get digital and physical? Why pay for the same game twice? Not everyone has the $ to do that.
Risk of not available for download? The same risk also applies to pretty much every indie game and smartphone app.
GOTY/complete edition? How about we wait and see IF a GOTY/complete edition will even happen.
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Post by XombieMike on May 7, 2016 17:16:46 GMT -6
This article sites Nintendo Life as their source for what I think is a bad assumption that anything will still happen on time. I wonder what that source article is. Edit: Here it isYeah... See how something mentioned in our Shoutbox can lead to articles stricken with assumptions? I wish authors would be clear about their information and where it comes from. Mana simply talked about a staggered release and sure as hell didn't promise to release by any specific date. Army of the Night, let's talk to these places spreading false information about their responsibility to spread information properly.
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Post by Galamoth on May 7, 2016 17:28:58 GMT -6
This article sites Nintendo Life as their source for what I think is a bad assumption that anything will still happen on time. I wonder what that source article is. Edit: Here it isYeah... See how something mentioned in our Shoutbox can lead to articles stricken with assumptions? I wish authors would be clear about their information and where it comes from. Mana simply talked about a staggered release and sure as hell didn't promise to release by any specific date. Army of the Night, let's talk to these places spreading false information about their responsibility to spread information properly. You got it, boss!
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Post by Astaroth on May 7, 2016 18:12:41 GMT -6
well, thats why i put forth the idea of physical backers getting a download code so they are able to preload/play the game at the same time digital backers get theirs so the whims of global shipping dont affect the people who ordered physical copies, and those who want all the extra modes on the disc itself could get that. i know it sounds complicated but its not really
fangamer begins getting everybodys physical orders ready to ship, waits for finalized disc game releases, everybody gets their code to dl game, much fun is had the staggered content releases, such wow complete discs are burned, packaged with fangamer bundles, sent out to all the backers
granted this would mean fangamer would have a bunch of bundles waiting longer to be shipped, but it also gives them more time to have said bundles made, and iga wont wear out his signing hand and can have a little rest before we start calling for bloodstained 2: the quest for more awesome ^_^
and disclaimer again, we still dont know what exactly is part of the staggered content, above is pure speculation -_-
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Post by BalancedHydra on May 8, 2016 9:45:45 GMT -6
well, thats why i put forth the idea of physical backers getting a download code so they are able to preload/play the game at the same time digital backers get theirs so the whims of global shipping dont affect the people who ordered physical copies, and those who want all the extra modes on the disc itself could get that. i know it sounds complicated but its not really fangamer begins getting everybodys physical orders ready to ship, waits for finalized disc game releases, everybody gets their code to dl game, much fun is had the staggered content releases, such wow complete discs are burned, packaged with fangamer bundles, sent out to all the backers granted this would mean fangamer would have a bunch of bundles waiting longer to be shipped, but it also gives them more time to have said bundles made, and iga wont wear out his signing hand and can have a little rest before we start calling for bloodstained 2: the quest for more awesome ^_^ and disclaimer again, we still dont know what exactly is part of the staggered content, above is pure speculation -_- If that's how it will turn out then what's the point of having the option of selecting physical or digital if, at the end of the day, we'll be getting digital anyway. There is also a questionable issue with the 'digital to tie people over' idea. I would essentially be saying "Okay. Your order has been received. BTW, you won't be getting your shipment for months. Here is a little consolation price while you wait." As a professional bookkeeper, i know that telling those who were kind/generous to give us their money to wait for their product/service is THE biggest No-No. Sorry but that's how it is behind closed doors, even if we wish it so otherwise.
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Post by Astaroth on May 8, 2016 10:39:35 GMT -6
thats pretty interesting, so in your scenario everybody has to wait maybe an extra year simply for some data on a disc, wouldnt that be screwing the digital people over the physical people when the main story is done and all everybodys waiting on is the final touches to be put on a mode you likely wont be able to access until you beat the game anyway?
this really is a catch 22 where you cant make everyone happy no matter what you do, and since im getting a digital so i can beta it and help out alongside my physical copies it wont bother me (too much, id prefer the data be on the disc for reasons stated before) how this plays out, but hopefully we can find a way thatll make most everybody happy
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Post by BalancedHydra on May 8, 2016 15:00:58 GMT -6
thats pretty interesting, so in your scenario everybody has to wait maybe an extra year simply for some data on a disc, wouldnt that be screwing the digital people over the physical people when the main story is done and all everybodys waiting on is the final touches to be put on a mode you likely wont be able to access until you beat the game anyway? this really is a catch 22 where you cant make everyone happy no matter what you do, and since im getting a digital so i can beta it and help out alongside my physical copies it wont bother me (too much, id prefer the data be on the disc for reasons stated before) how this plays out, but hopefully we can find a way thatll make most everybody happy It really is a catch 22 situation. Good call on that Astaroth. Before we proceed any further, it would probably be wise to wait and see what Iga and Fangamers will do. They are the ones who did put in hundreds if not thousands of hours and will continue to put in just as much if not more so. TL;DR : Iga. Do as you see fit. We all trust you to give everyone, including yourself, that slice of Iga-heaven and it will be worth it when all is said and done.
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Post by Vampire on May 8, 2016 15:38:58 GMT -6
Would anyone have a basic idea of how much time would be needed to add the extra modes layered atop of the main game?A year?2 Years?
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Post by XombieMike on May 9, 2016 10:11:45 GMT -6
Adam Mohhamed in the Kickstarter Comments linked this article. Hey, at least they linked to the source so people can see all we do and don't know about the details. Matt Whittaker didn't do too shabby. He obviously has an opinion and advice for IGA in there that some backers won't agree with, but simply stating that the multiplayer experience can be patched in later is something I agree with. I think the clarification for what "additional contents" will be post initial release should be coming after the 11th. Mana is unavailable at the moment. We should be recording a BCB shortly thereafter if we can align our schedules.
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Post by crocodile on May 9, 2016 14:19:36 GMT -6
Adam Mohhamed in the Kickstarter Comments linked this article. Hey, at least they linked to the source so people can see all we do and don't know about the details. Matt Whittaker didn't do too shabby. He obviously has an opinion and advice for IGA in there that some backers won't agree with, but simply stating that the multiplayer experience can be patched in later is something I agree with. I think the clarification for what "additional contents" will be post initial release should be coming after the 11th. Mana is unavailable at the moment. We should be recording a BCB shortly thereafter if we can align our schedules. I mean, this far out, I doubt they can commit to what the game will launch with and what will come out as post launch DLC. Better to keep that close to their chests until near launch when its clear how much content can and will be made in time. No need to promise like "oh the Rogue-like mode will definitely be there at launch!" and then have to backpedal 10 months later. As an aside, its cool to hear the BCB is coming back. It's been a while since the last one and I missed them. Granted, there are only so many English speaking people working on this game in some capacity so options are kind of limited
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Post by XombieMike on May 9, 2016 15:25:09 GMT -6
Yeah, thanks I miss it too. I've had a couple of guests not be able to come on for various reasons. It's been way too long.
You make a good point about setting expectations and not wanting to backpedal. I would still like to know if offline content will be staggered though.
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Post by arct1c0n on May 9, 2016 15:53:12 GMT -6
Fucking lame..... I expected better for the money I shelled out for physical stuff.
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Post by Galamoth on May 9, 2016 17:06:49 GMT -6
Fucking lame..... I expected better for the money I shelled out for physical stuff. ^We don't even know all of what is specifically going to be included in the initial release of the game, yet. All we know about it at this point is that release of content will in-fact be "staggered". I would recommend saving your complaints for after they've already confirmed all of the content that will be part of the initial release.
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Post by localriot on May 9, 2016 18:18:12 GMT -6
Would be disappointed if the physical versions weren't complete. Maybe they plan on selling a new complete version when everything is finished.
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Post by lod7 on May 9, 2016 19:43:08 GMT -6
Would be disappointed if the physical versions weren't complete. Maybe they plan on selling a new complete version when everything is finished. ^this. I for one see the benefits of a staggered release, but I myself am looking forward to a physical copy that contains everything I pledged for. I have waited many years for a promise of another igavania true to SotN and so on, I would not mind getting a digital staggered release and waiting for the complete physical copy down the road. Of course I will comply with the majority of this community because I do understand the business side of things and the hype for this game may not last 3+ years. I just want the community and Mana to know my two cents on this matter.
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Post by ghaleon on May 10, 2016 1:05:05 GMT -6
Something that occured to me regarding partial content on the physical disc... We're all thinking about the kickstarter physical versions only, but I'm pretty sure bloodstained will have physical copies for those who did NOT kickstart the project waiting to be purchased in retail stores after the game's release.
Which I mean is are THESE physical copies, in the stores... Are they going to not feature everything as well? Where after installing the player is prompted for a 'day one patch' so to speak to get everything? People tend to dislike that. We have to remember that this isn't just a game for kickstarter supporters only, but hopefully it'll be much bigger than that, like with shovel knight, divine divinity, Faster than Light, etc.
But even more akward, is if the retail copies DO feature everything... and then the kickstarter supporter copies do NOT... That would just be... yeah, I think even some of the more reasonable people might be irate about that. I'm aware of the catch 22 mentioned, but I'm just saying that the hole is actually deeper on both ends than what was already pointed out.
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Post by localriot on May 10, 2016 2:29:40 GMT -6
Something that occured to me regarding partial content on the physical disc... We're all thinking about the kickstarter physical versions only, but I'm pretty sure bloodstained will have physical copies for those who did NOT kickstart the project waiting to be purchased in retail stores after the game's release. Which I mean is are THESE physical copies, in the stores... Are they going to not feature everything as well? Where after installing the player is prompted for a 'day one patch' so to speak to get everything? People tend to dislike that. We have to remember that this isn't just a game for kickstarter supporters only, but hopefully it'll be much bigger than that, like with shovel knight, divine divinity, Faster than Light, etc. But even more akward, is if the retail copies DO feature everything... and then the kickstarter supporter copies do NOT... That would just be... yeah, I think even some of the more reasonable people might be irate about that. I'm aware of the catch 22 mentioned, but I'm just saying that the hole is actually deeper on both ends than what was already pointed out. Yeah good point. There was always going to be 2 different physical versions though. The one that had backer exclusive content and the one that didn't. They said at the start it would be on the disc but maybe they will change that.
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Post by GenericSoda on May 10, 2016 5:00:57 GMT -6
Fucking lame..... I expected better for the money I shelled out for physical stuff. I'm in the same boat as you because I went for the physical copy tier, but I'll be the first to remind you that Kickstarter is a platform for funding projects rather than a platform for getting rewards. I'm fine with staggered content because I'm pretty much dead inside about Mighty no. 9 at this point, and Bloodstained's focus is on its main game anyway. I've enjoyed replaying every handheld Castlevania to an absurd degree to this day, and I doubt Bloodstained will be any different.
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Post by BalancedHydra on May 10, 2016 6:52:14 GMT -6
Wait. Wasn't Iga... or was it Ben Judd... who said during the twitch stream for the launch that said that the physical copies are for backers only and that it's digital only beyond that?
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