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Post by gunlord500 on Jun 5, 2019 12:06:07 GMT -6
Well, I mean...Pure Miriam is in the poll, and since she's an alternate skin we'll definitely be able to play as her, but she's not exactly a 3rd playable character, so I think that's that for Angel's first statement.
As for the second...hmm. If it's not any of the choices given, man, maybe Gremory is a better prospect than I thought. Or if not her, perhaps another enemy we wouldn't expect. Dullahammer head mode?!?!?!
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Post by gunlord500 on Jun 5, 2019 10:22:43 GMT -6
roguedragon05 Yeah I was just gonna post that announcement trailer! It's so friggin metal, and I love the guitar riffs, I've been listening to that on Listenonrepeat for a while. I hope the clean version is on the OST (I backed for the 60 tier)
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Post by gunlord500 on Jun 4, 2019 7:26:22 GMT -6
Well, yes, the meaning of "desired quality" is important, indeed. Why do "day one patches" necessarily indicate poor quality, as long as the patches are polished? It is a pity that the physical media will be incomplete, in a sense, but the game itself will be of a high quality once everything's been downloaded. Again, I understand the desire for a physical version to be entirely comprehensive, but in today's world that's pretty tough. I mean, even if all the stretch goals had been released on-disc immediately, they wouldn't be able to do that with subsequent releases, like story expansions or such, which would need to be downloaded anyways. :\
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Post by gunlord500 on Jun 2, 2019 18:49:13 GMT -6
From what little I understand of Japanese kana, that is the Shortcut shard, yes (Sho-to-ka-to). And I'd wager they changed the bats around from the beta we played, especially since high-level bats were a little OP for miriam, just launching wave after wave of them. Now they seem to release either three bats in a wave or a very large bat boi.
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Post by gunlord500 on Jun 2, 2019 18:18:14 GMT -6
I wonder why there was so much stuttering in the first video. In the switch trailer you can see the frame drops, but on the previous PS4/pc video it looked smoothed. I'm not sure if it was just a poor upload or youtube messing up or something. When I watched it earlier it went really weird when I tried to set it to fullscreen, so I think it may be a youtube glitch or something.
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Post by gunlord500 on Jun 2, 2019 17:32:31 GMT -6
Clear I think Karabos might be Calibus, yeah. Not the icon next to its name, and the shards next to all the others. I think they list what shards drop from the enemy, so if there's a little fairy icon next to Calibus, I assume Calibus is our fairy familiar
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Post by gunlord500 on Jun 2, 2019 16:23:36 GMT -6
I suppose I'm stealing Pure Miriam 's thunder here somewhat, but over on the Discord we've been talking about the new Bitsummit footage we were shown recently.
Here's a vid of IGA playing it with Ben Judd translating:
And here's a vid of the same area with just Japanese commentary:
It's the same tower area with Valac we've seen before, but there are a few little things to note--we get to see a Fairy familiar in action, and Miriam's got a nice, stylish mask. A few things that struck me:
1: The game looks really, really good. I try to keep it in check, but my hype is rekindled...the lighting, the smoothness of the movement, the detail on the terrain (I love the pillars, gears, and torches) all look like SoTN's back in business.
2: They seem to have taken away that annoying red low health border, yay! Alas, it still seems like Valac doesn't have much of a hit indicator...
3: As morbid as it sounds, I was impressed to see in the second video that Miriam apparently has a particular death animation for fire--as you can see, rather than just being knocked back and bleeding out, she stands still as she's charred, and then drops to her knees. That's a minor sort of detail you'd find in SotN, where Alucard (and Maria, in the PSP version) had different animations depending on if they were burned, electrocuted, or frozen when they died. Very impressive!
So, check it out, guys! And tell me if you see any other nifty things. I can't read Japanese but this list of enemies seems intriguing...
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Post by gunlord500 on Jun 2, 2019 14:39:52 GMT -6
Yeah. At these forums we definitely put a lot of work into ensuring everyone can have a nice, chill time, and I'd say we've done a pretty good job of that while also allowing space for complaints and criticism. Kickstarter, on the other hand...one of the problems with it is that it's quite difficult to moderate comments effectively, or even add people to the discussion--I backed for 500 dollars, but since I did so on Paypal, I've never been able to participate in them.
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Post by gunlord500 on Jun 2, 2019 14:16:59 GMT -6
Talos above me. I just went to the comments section of the kickstarters latest update, and I just don't even know what to say about all the hate there. I mean, contructive feedback/complaints is fine, but what I am seeing posted by one user in particular whose name starts with the letter C, is vile and completely unhinged in the extreme. The kind of things he is repeatedly posting about Iga is obcene enough that I would prob be banned for copying them here. Holy $^*2, that dude needs help. Yeah, that one guy is...well known to us mods. It'd be impolitic to say any more, but suffice it to say we've gotten used to and expecting of his...less measured outbursts on the KS comments.
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Post by gunlord500 on May 30, 2019 21:33:13 GMT -6
True, many otherwise respectful members of the community have responded negatively to him, as well - but only because his own hostility to the project. He may not use vulgar language, but calling 505 thieves is not exactly being respectful either. Angel-Corlux has publicly admitted to having committed piracy in the past, to help himself justify selling off exclusive backer content. Is he NOT the one in charge at 505? Pirates steal, dareka , that makes them thieves. Nobody else at 505 has said anything about his comment being inappropriate so they're on board with it. As for the rest of what you said, this is the official forum, the place where both 505 and Fangamer insisted that I communicate with them. They have not responded through Twitter, or Discord, and they refused to provide any direct email or phone number - which I asked for, several times. I suppose your definition of "respectful" means that I'm supposed to ignore attacks from other backers on here and don't get to say anything when 505 repeatedly ignores me? I haven't gone into anyone else's posts, I haven't posted anywhere but 505-posted updates and my own threads, but I have had to sit here and deal with plenty of negative comments from people who straight up don't care who gets hurt as long as they get their copy of the game.
Give me a FUNCTIONAL way to talk straight to 505 and you don't need to ban me, you can delete everything I've posted and happily pretend that none of this happened at all.
Browren, you know Im sympathetic to your situation, but bluntly stated I dont think angel or anyone else at 505 has any interest in engaging with you. You can continue to pursue legal action with the Better Business Bureau if you wish, or take some other legal venue, but at this point, I am officially backing up Dareka here as a mod: If you want to excoriate 505, please do so in one of the topics you have made instead of elsewhere, where people want to discuss the game. I am not going to ban you, since as I said I do deeply sympathize with your plight and your generous offer to work on a Linux port. However, I may suspend you, remove your ability to post, or take a similar action if you continue to insult 505 in a variety of threads. Also, I think Purify made you this offer, but just in case I have misrecalled, I could paypal you your pledge amount if it will satisfy you. I need to go to sleep now, but I can answer PMs in 8 or 9 hours. Please do not.disrupt this thread any further and respect the users who want to talk about Zangetsu or the other modes mentioned in the update.
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Post by gunlord500 on May 30, 2019 18:50:30 GMT -6
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Post by gunlord500 on May 29, 2019 8:21:01 GMT -6
Yeah, it's funny how backers are supposedly "selfish and greedy" for wanting what was promised to them, but somehow the people paying retail aren't selfish or greedy for demanding things they missed out on or else they're gonna pirate the whole game (supposedly). Seriously, if your game is ruined, RUINED because the people who put up their money in advance to have the game made have something you don't, you're the entitled one, not them. And hey, at least you got a game for your platform, people paying retail! I'm glad I was able to help that happen for you when I PAID IN ADVANCE AND DIDN'T EVEN GET THE FREAKING GAME FOR MINE. But I'M the bad guy because I wanted my money back??? Yeah 505, your silence is deafening here. Nothing to say eh? I'll take your silence as admission of guilt. Browren, keep in mind that the person youre responding to is calling "entitled" complaints over the IGA boss and swordwhip no longer being exclusive. I think pretty much everybody still sympathizes with the plight of mac and linux backers, at least from the point about not getting refunds. But yes, in general, lets not call a lot of our backers who are understandably upset insulting names. This goes for all participants, everyone. That said, again, browren, just to make sure, you are getting a Steam copy of the game, right? I think we discussed before a few months ago that the game could still play on Proton and Wine, right? IIRC your complaint was that the game might not be officially supported on Proton and Wine, but it should be at least playable, I think.
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Post by gunlord500 on May 29, 2019 2:06:40 GMT -6
Dang Sorry Arikado , I checked up on it and it seems a season pass for future DLC might not be practical. If the game is being released for a Nintendo, Sony, or Microsoft system, there are licensing fees 505 has to pay for the game itself and any associated additions, such as DLC. So 505 would have to pay potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars, and possibly more, just to make more costumes or story expansions beyond the stretch goals for Bloodstained. Thus, it wouldnt be practical for them to give it away in the form of season passes. Hmm...with that out of the way, another suggestion I initially brought up when the survey was called: If the backer only content is no longer backer only, how about giving 60+ backers an exclusive in game title they could use? Like, the online modes are still in progress, so maybe they could set it so that your username on the leaderboards had a special effect or flair indicating you were an original member of the Army of the Night. This would give the backers something special to commemorate them and make their purchase worth it, and also wouldnt attract pirates because if youre pirating a game, you arent going to care about letting other people know you supported it, cause you didnt lol. What do you guys think? Gunlord, can you find out about how import fees will be handled for overseas backers that backed the $300 tier, now that shipment has been split to 3, physical game, backer collectables and amano poster it makes things more complicated for overseas backers like me. I have already messaged Question and fangamer regarding this, they haven't replied yet, if it's easy for yoy to find out any information I'd appreciate it. A lot of people have asked that question, actually, and Angel has been looking into it. Ill give him a reminder just to make sure.
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Post by gunlord500 on May 28, 2019 23:36:32 GMT -6
Dang Sorry Arikado , I checked up on it and it seems a season pass for future DLC might not be practical. If the game is being released for a Nintendo, Sony, or Microsoft system, there are licensing fees 505 has to pay for the game itself and any associated additions, such as DLC. So 505 would have to pay potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars, and possibly more, just to make more costumes or story expansions beyond the stretch goals for Bloodstained. Thus, it wouldnt be practical for them to give it away in the form of season passes. Hmm...with that out of the way, another suggestion I initially brought up when the survey was called: If the backer only content is no longer backer only, how about giving 60+ backers an exclusive in game title they could use? Like, the online modes are still in progress, so maybe they could set it so that your username on the leaderboards had a special effect or flair indicating you were an original member of the Army of the Night. This would give the backers something special to commemorate them and make their purchase worth it, and also wouldnt attract pirates because if youre pirating a game, you arent going to care about letting other people know you supported it, cause you didnt lol. What do you guys think?
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Post by gunlord500 on May 28, 2019 11:10:17 GMT -6
Good point Overlord , but Im not sure the remaining stretch goals.will take that much time. There are what, 6 or 7 more things, and one of them is Classic mode, which doesnt involve online content or brand new systems like roguelike mode. So more like 5 or 6 things to do, and IIRC shovel knight had many more stretch goals (like genderswap mode) released as staggered content. So I think bloodstained might not have THAT much time left before they can work on expansions proper.
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Post by gunlord500 on May 28, 2019 10:12:15 GMT -6
browren just to make sure, the linux and mac backers are receiving a steam code, right? As I recall, your complaint was that you would be receiving a version of the game you couldnt play (without the use of proton or wine), not that your order had been canceled entirely. That being the case, cant you sell that code you receive? They should probably give you a code for the DLC as well, which you can also sell. You might also get the OST and digital retro guide, though yeah, selling those would be impractical, I can see the discontent there. There have been many people who suggested that I wasn't nearly as screwed as I said, because I could sell my copy of the game and backer perks for more than I backed, and now, thanks again to 505, I can't even do that. GOG has the game for $35. 505's offer was to convert to a physical copy. Who's going to wait for a physical copy + backer kit, pay shipping, take the risk that the seller is lying, etc. when you can just buy a retail copy and the suddenly not-so-exclusive content for ten bucks more?
Regarding piracy in general, there will always be people who don't want to pay for anything, and have no moral issues with stealing other people's work. Those people tend to be downloaders and not people who crack the games.
The people that do the cracking, though, have a variety of reasons for doing it. Some are against DRM, others feel that publishers charge too much for their games and cite piracy as the reason, so they feel justified stealing because paying customers have already "paid" for the piracy. Really what it comes down to is this: is it OK to cheat and steal to get what you want?
Well, 505, is it okay? Or are you "not engaging" me any more because you know you're wrong?
PUBLISHERS LOSE THEIR RIGHT TO COMPLAIN ABOUT PIRACY WHEN THEY'VE STOLEN FROM THEIR BACKERS.
Alright, well, in another thread Arikado mentioned one suggestion- since its likely 505 will be producing additional dlc and expansions in the future, as the survey indicated people want story expansions and more costumes (the most popular choices for that question), if they were to give 60+ backers "season passes" for that content, would you be able to sell that? Like, say some time down the line they release the Vampire and Valkyrie costumes for Miriam along with an epilogue area and maybe an expansion for a secondary characters story, for a value of 30 dollars. Would you be able to sell codes for that and get a return for your 60 dollars?
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Post by gunlord500 on May 28, 2019 2:11:08 GMT -6
browren just to make sure, the linux and mac backers are receiving a steam code, right? As I recall, your complaint was that you would be receiving a version of the game you couldnt play (without the use of proton or wine), not that your order had been canceled entirely. That being the case, cant you sell that code you receive? They should probably give you a code for the DLC as well, which you can also sell. You might also get the OST and digital retro guide, though yeah, selling those would be impractical, I can see the discontent there.
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Post by gunlord500 on May 27, 2019 4:12:34 GMT -6
They can still sell it to the general public (and $28 backers), but by giving it to us $60 backers, they will make up for their false promise of exclusive content, at least in my book. You know, that just might be a good idea. The survey indicated a lot of desire.for future dlc, namely costumes for Miriam and story expansions. So I would say it's just about inevitable that 505 games is going to release such DLC. Giving it for free to 60+ level backers might be just the sweetening of the pot we need.
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Post by gunlord500 on May 26, 2019 22:28:49 GMT -6
True, though from what I understand of the surveys, the bulk of the backers for RotN are on the PC anyways. And digital content like pdfs of the strategy guide and the OST will primarily be used on the PC anyways, like I know the PS4 can read pdfs and play music and all that, but I don't know of anyone who commonly uses consoles for that purpose.
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Post by gunlord500 on May 26, 2019 21:52:55 GMT -6
In reference to digital backer rewards compared (in value) to excusivity, to be fair, if it is the case that things like OSTs or pdf versions of the artbook will be free online sooner rather than later, isn't that also the case with "exclusive" content? Like, say 505 had never gone back on the exclusivity thing and the IGA boss and Swordwhip were still only given to original 60 dollar backers rather than 28 backers or new folks, If that were so, it would be pretty easy for modders to just unlock them and then give them to everyone for free, or for the "backer exclusive" version of the game to end up on torrent sites, depending on what method the devs would have used to gate the content. It may have taken more time to rip in-game content than it would be to make copies of the OST or artbook pdfs, but not by very much--these days, I would give pirates only a week at most to completely bypass any attempt at digital gatekeeping. So it's not obvious to me why or how the exclusivity of the special boss or swordwhip necessarily outweighs the value of a digital OST, retro strategy guide, and (potentially) pdf of the artbook. My main man :purify: mentioned to Arikado that I had brought up possibly giving 60 dollar backers a pdf version of the artbook to make up for the swordwhip and boss no longer being exclusive (at the moment it's only a softcover and hardcover available to higher tiers). The reason I mention this is that such rewards are common among other kickstarters and are generally held to be a good deal. For instance, I also backed Blasphemous, and they offered a pdf of their game's artbook as well: As you can see, the 40 dollar tier offers a pdf of the artbook, along with a variety of other digital rewards (namely alpha builds and access to backer-only parts of the discord, which ended up being sort of a pain in the butt for everyone, but that's a longer story). That's a 15 dollar difference to the lower tier, which was 25 dollars for the game, soundtrack, and access (I think) to some backer-only parts of the discord. No Blasphemous backer I'm aware of has ever complained that the Blasphemous artbook pdf will be available for free in pretty short order. Thus, it seems to me a reasonable compromise: A pdf of the Bloodstained artbook would have at least 10 dollars of value given the comparative prices of the Blasphemous tiers I just mentioned (a 15 dollar difference beween the 25 and 40 tiers), and that isn't even mentioning how the Bloodstained artbook will probably be bigger and have more famous artists represented in it (such as Mana <3) than the Blasphemous one. And it doesn't take away from the value of the higher tiers either, since actual physical artbooks have an inherent value to them that pdfs lack. Again, to take the Blasphemous example, the 60 dollar tier (which I got, by the by) provides a printed version of the artbook, indicating that physical copies of an artbook are worth 20 dollars more than digital ones, and about 30 dollars in and of themselves overall (if we take a digital copy of the book to be worth 10). So, let's compare what backers would be getting under my suggestion: 28 dollar backers: Game, plus soundtrack (10$), plus IGA content (10$) mean they'd have to pay a total of 48 dollars to get a comparable amount of content, straight-up. 40 dollar retail buyers: They get a 15 dollar steelbook, so let's add that as a credit and say they're paying 25 dollars for the game. Plus 10 bucks for the soundtrack and 10 bucks for the IGA content, let's say they end up paying 45 dollars to get what they want. Now, 60 dollar backers under the Gunlord Plan: Let's say they're getting 28 dollars of value for the game (since that's what the 28 backers got), plus 10 dollars of value for the IGA content and 10 dollars of value for the OST. So they're at 48 dollars of value right now, which still put them underwater by 12 dollars. But then let's add in the 10 dollars of value for the strategy guide PDF, which puts them at 58 dollars of value. They're still behind by 2 dollars, but if we add in 10 dollars (at least) for a pdf of the artbook, they get a total of 68 dollars worth of value, which seems quite reasonable to me. And again, if you want to say that pdfs of the strategy guide and the prospective artbook wouldn't be worth anything because they'll be available for free online, you can say the same thing about the "exclusive" content, which would have been extracted by miners and/or pirates in very short order. The nice thing about this plan is that 505 and Artplay could very easily implement it. Making the drawings for an artbook due to the hard work of the arists is the hard part. Once you've got that down, making a pdf is easy-peasy and oughtn't require more than a couple of days of work (at the VERY most) from an Artplay employee. So it seems like an easy way to smooth some ruffled feathers around here and get things back on track.
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