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Post by XombieMike on Mar 25, 2016 7:04:19 GMT -6
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Post by thrashinuva on Mar 25, 2016 9:30:54 GMT -6
It'd be interesting to see what the paper actually says. There are four forms of Gold Chloride and an oxidation of +1 turns into gold and gold chloride oxidation of +3 just by heating it with water. And where they getting this bacteria from that is resistant to and eats toxins? They probably bred the bacteria. A similar bacteria has been made that eats PET plastic, which is found in anything from milk cartons, soda bottles, to those annoying sealed packages that you have to struggle with scissors to open. The real value in this isn't the fact that it can be done, I'm not sure there was ever any real question about that, at least not in the past few decades. The value itself is mostly progress itself. The bacteria are doing what we can't simply because we are too large. Once we create machines that are small enough to do this on their own, we won't need bacteria to make gold, we can skip them entirely, and gold will become truly worthless. Everything is just a collection of atoms, protons, and neutrons, we just have to figure out how to reliably manipulate these in order to make whatever we want. We need to make an Element Printer.
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Post by Astaroth on Mar 25, 2016 11:10:59 GMT -6
actually what i think the bacteria is doing is nothing new, its just specifically doing it with something that has to do with gold so everybodys losing their shit, whats more impressive is how could they use this kind of bacteria breeding to clean up radiation or chemical spills by breaking down harmful atoms into ones that could be safely used for something?
what its essentially doing is taking a compound and breaking it down into its component parts, digesting what it needs, and shitting out what is a waste product to it, you and every living thing does it every day when you eat and drink things, we just shit fertilizer and not metals
there are actually several times in history that lead has been turned into gold, the problem is its either been by accident or the cost/energy of doing so has been astronomically more than the amount of gold generated
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Post by Astaroth on Mar 25, 2016 11:52:12 GMT -6
as for currency in scifi, thats more a societal construct based around our predatory instincts, in order for us to do anything our brains break it down into risk vs reward, the fundamental reason why every applied form of communism has failed (beyond the fact that every implementation has had a corrupt ruling class and a oppressed servant class which is actually pretty ironic) is that communism seeks to remove risk vs reward in favor of appealing to our sense of community, which works well in small tight knit groups but breaks down when you try to apply it to a larger group because eventually people will realize when theres no reward for working harder there is no point in risking more (would you work hard at your job if you knew you will never get a raise or a promotion or even recognition, but bob next to you pulls the same paycheck as you and does half the work you currently do?) star trek only really works because it handwaves it every time the subject of money comes up (and they demonize capitalism with the ferengi), but even then its wildly inconsistant on how their economy works, in one instance theyll say money doesnt exist, in another scene theyre expected to pay for their drinks, and in another picard makes it sound like humans now magically live in a communist utopia, if this were true it would take massive brainwashing, the complete destruction of our predatory instincts through in utero surgery, turning humanity into lemmings, or just handwaving away the concept of money when it was convenient for gene to make a statement about money being evil, your pick
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Post by thrashinuva on Mar 25, 2016 12:37:56 GMT -6
I just find it odd it doesn't have a link to the paper or explain in detail And I am guessing you mean gold with be monetarily valued as worthless, because it has real applications and with have "worth." In such a society where we can freely manipulate matter, the abstract idea of space cash won't be a reality. That is one reason why SCI-FI hasn't peaked my interest in the last decade, seems like they all have currency. I think it's just that scientific "community" is not very transparent. Anything I've ever seen before has failed to show documentation to the public, and yet has most obviously brought countless changes to the world. And I was actually being more general. To my understanding gold has other uses as a conductor that doesn't tarnish, and so is used for electronics. However, in a world where we can freely make elements, I imagine we'd see further use of silver, way more so beyond gold, and depending on the applications of graphene, it might replace both entirely. If gold has another use I'm not aware of then it may still have its uses, and so still have worth beyond other elements (besides for jewelry). As far as space cash goes, we can start by recognizing that digital information did not exist when the concept of money first started. Nowadays we have things like bitcoin and such. I imagine that space cash will be less of a physical currency, and more of a value assigned to you to determine your worth.
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Post by dimlitcandle on Mar 25, 2016 23:38:58 GMT -6
You got that from my Facebook, XombieMike! I might be the one of the few Bloodstained fans that also happens to be a geology nerd as well (but alchemy equally fascinates me!). Got that article from a Facebook page that is for rock/mineral lovers and stuff.
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Post by thrashinuva on Mar 26, 2016 8:54:42 GMT -6
Growing up, I had always heard of the Twilight Zone, but I never really watched it. To this day I've only seen a few episodes, but one of the episodes I have seen was about a group of train robbers. They robbed a train for all the gold on it, and decided to hide out (or they were frozen or something, a lot of time passed in the world), and when they came around to try and sell it, a passing stranger takes pity on them. He thinks they are crazy for trying to sell gold, it's worthless now that we can make it.
I've always been interested in science. Not enough to ever do any experiments or anything, or to learn any equations or some such, but enough to know the basic principals of things, I guess. I was interested in the atomic structure of things and the alchemist promise to make gold, but I never really thought of what that would mean to the world until I saw that episode of Twilight Zone.
There are plenty of gold companies out there who buy and sell gold, and I wonder if they're thinking ahead to the future when gold becomes less than a commodity.
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