Miriam's shoulder clothing

I'm just saying I wish her ACTUAL costume was designed like the pure costume and let the current one be an alternate ;P

At the same time we are the consumers and a lot of people don't want that kinda crap in their games since it detracts from the feel of it. These aren't freelance artists (especially since we paid ahead of time for this) so people have every right to feel that they have a say in what is being created. 

Basically I don't think too many people want to see a future where we play Ocarina of Time and Zelda is naked for no reason. Just standin there half naked playing the Ocarina at the end. Kills the mood.

As others have said it has to fit the game if you are going to have "sexy" stuff in it. 

A single consumer's input is limited to "I wont buy it if X" or "I will buy it if Y"...

In the end that's great input if the videogame producer's goal is to make as much money as possible.  But when that happens you end up with a bunch of brown first person shooters that aren't unique. There's no soul. There's no cult classics.

My point is, whether it's about sexuality, a game mechanic, or what color the grass is, the decision is up to the game creator.  Any decision made to appease to a general audience is unhealthy for the game industry.

I think this is getting off-topic for this thread, maybe start a new one?

I'm not talking about fan input, sorry if I'm not being clear enough. I'm talking more along the lines of focus groups and doing what's "politically correct" just for sales.

Refer to the original quote:
"that in the aim to push back against the oversexualization of female characters and lack of variety in their character design across gaming"

I think it's fine, and while providing feedback is in fact part of the purpose of the KS community, I hope the developers don't decide to change things based on feedback without being sure it is somewhat of a majority/significant opinion first. I also don't want to cause any hard feelings here, but, wasn't Dan the dude who was really...umm... protective? about zengetsu's outfit (however you spell his name) when people were asking for realistic looking armor costumes for both miriam and zeng.. but mostly miriam?

That said, I looked at the shoulder thing comparison again, and that isn't the only change... she's lacking the 'real' flowers on her other shoulder. It's possible that the 2d version is her 'dressing up' for something like a ball or whatever, showing some neck, adding some flowers... and the 3d model is less so?

Anyone like Dan G pushing for realism in a fantasy action game is missing the point and should consider something outside of their tiny bubble. It sure is tiring to call everything "oversexualized" when there's any skin showing. If you want oversexualized then look at MMORPG armors and you will actually have a case.

Ontopic: I prefer the original concept
With the higher blouse and bare shoulder I can see the rose easier at the original flatter angle than the new skewed angle (thanks to her breast). The rose is an important design so being able to see it is important, without seeing the shoulder it looks more like the rose is just an isolated area but we can see the connection of her sword, rose, and shoulder crystals when we can see it in plain view. The new armor pieces over her shoulder just look clunky lacking the simplicity elegant flair of the original.

That's actually a good point about modeling the actual shoulder itself. The glass rose on her chest has always been a pretty critical element of Miriam's character design and I think should remain so. If they wanted to change aspects of the shoulder design with the added cloth (either because they felt it was more aesthetically appealing or because of modeling constraints or whatever) then it makes sense that they may move the rose and the dress ever so slightly down to preserve that element (though comparing everything to that first piece of art on the KS is a bit of an issue as different art give different perspectives and what not on where on her chest it seems the cursed rose may rest). I'd also add that most of the differences you'd see between Miriam's model and art concept come down a lot to just the natural differences between 2D and 3D. Either way, I'd assume the Customize system would alleviate any concerns a person may have and allow for as little/much exposure as they prefer.

@kowakaki: Play nice. You can disagree with Dan G whilst using less harsh language.

People knew what they were getting into when they backed the game, the main character's design barely change from back when she was first revealed and I doubt she will change that much.

Trying to change her now to lower her sex appeal because other games use it the wrong way or just because some people want to be PC is simply not the way to go and ends up affecting the author's creativity and freedom. I really hope that kind of people don't affect this game at all, I've been waiting for years for a new igavania with a Shanoa-ish main character 

It would be pretty badass to see the heart beating and it would be a cool way to emphasize her current mood too. For example, when she's against a boss and her HP is low the flowers would start beating faster and faster, and when she dies they would stop once she flatlines.

I assume her boobs were increased in size to make it easier to see the details on her chest (Kinda like what League of Legends did for years because of the zoomed out camera) although I didn't even notice the increased size until you pointed it out. They look far bigger when she's sitting down so I'm not sure if to blame that specific pose or what because she looks closer to her original design while standing.