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Post by purifyweirdshard on May 23, 2019 10:19:55 GMT -6
Here's a breakdown of what is included in backer 60 (the "worst" of tiers from my estimation) vs retail 40.
edit: To elaborate on the "worst" comment above - I gave the team several suggestions about the 60 pricing because I didn't think the value was ideal, but it's around "fine" to me given the circumstances and how things were set up beforehand beyond the publisher's control. Below is how I break it down.
Physical 60: Game + stretch goals ($40) Backer content ($10) Curse of the Moon ($10) KS slipcase (can't ascribe value, but we'll lowball this with $5) Both exclusive demos ($? this may be worth nothing to you or a lot, we'll say $1) Participation in backer voting and other contributions for game design/direction, and helping the game to exist and reach all of its goals ($? see above, $1) So we'll say that's 67. It'd be worth much more than that to me, but maybe not others.
Digital 60: Same as above, except no slipcase, but + the following: OST (I would say between $10-15) Retro strategy booklet ($2? sure, low estimates here) Depending on how much you care about physical items, this is great, putting its value disregarding those physical items at about $67-72 at the very least, assuming you care almost nothing about getting the demos and helping/contributing to the game's existence and design/reaching its goals. edit: PS4 backers also get the dynamic theme. Currently 100% confirmed for digital, and they're working on this for physical as well
Regarding the (some) retailers' FuturePak (steelbook), I think that's roughly equivalent to the KS exclusive slipcase. The steel thingy may end up being a nicer item itself, who knows, but it's not as limited since the window for the KS case is long passed.
Someone pointed out to me "but inflation!", and accounting for an estimated 7.8% 2015-19 inflation, that's less than $5 so eh haha
edit: Added the part about the PS4 theme
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Post by Viftech on May 23, 2019 11:02:22 GMT -6
It's nice you try and show a price breakdown. It gets a little annoying when they leave out the extra stuff you get with the 60 dollar tier and only have focus on the base game. I also understand people value things differently and some will be more happy with their tier than others. But if every 60 dollar tier was a 28 dollar backer instead we wouldn't get Roguelike Dungeon or Boss Revenge Mode. I don't know the value of those modes but that is also extra value for everyone.
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Post by purifyweirdshard on May 23, 2019 11:51:06 GMT -6
Oh yeah so I have seen concerns shift to the $28 vs 60 tiers, and here's how that goes to me: Getting in early with KS at $28 is without a doubt the best value strictly from a "get the game" standpoint. Full stop, no way around it, that value is ridiculous. I've always said that here and it's definitely and obviously true now. (edit: lol here's one example I found just now bloodstained.forums.net/post/54190 ) Even so, 28 does not have: OST, backer content, demos, retro booklet, slipcase, or any physical items It's roughly +/- depending on how much value you put in the above things. If in the event you were a console player and couldn't use the demos, I do think that's rough, as $28 would have been better for you then - but there is a certain amount of value in helping to make all of the goals possible, as you said. Finally, it's my opinion that "backer exclusive content" was a misstep to begin with. It should be and is available to all, and unfortunately the pricings at the beginning didn't account well for that eventually happening. Even for backers, I believe it will be preferable to us even if temporarily painful now, as down the line we'll probably want that content again ourselves on another system. Can you imagine if content was locked to your PS1 black label-only SotN copy? Even with my best efforts all the way back to when I was 12, I doubt I would have it still now.
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Post by caer on May 23, 2019 19:45:50 GMT -6
That is such a good point about the future problems of exclusive content. Digital items shouldn't be allowed to just be lost to time.
I backed for 60, and sure the exclusive content was a reason for that specific amount, but I'm more concerned with what I will get in the end than what others will be getting, so I'm totally happy. Heck, I backed Indivisible for 50, and that wasn't even a tier, just felt like an amount I was comfortable parting with to have the game made.
Only thing I'm "worried" about with the current scheme is the almost inevitable bad press the game will get from the general public for charging 10 dollars for an on the whole quite small piece of DLC. I just hope that blows over quickly. That price point really looks to me like they tried to be fair to backers more than they were trying to get additional revenue.
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Post by sylver on May 24, 2019 6:20:27 GMT -6
I am a 300$ + 28$ backer. Since I couldn't donate through Kickstarter, I had to wait for PayPal, but then it was a no brainer for me. The only thing that matters was: a new IGAvania. I don't care about the extra modes and a lot of other stuff. I simply want a game, that I am able to enjoy. All this stuff about exclusive content for everyone, is totally fine with me. When I made my pledge, my only thought was, that IGA's project will become a success! So should that -not so exclusive- content help to achieve this goal, then it's legit.
Should IGA decide to make a sequel and going through Kickstarter all again, so will I support him again.
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Post by purifyweirdshard on May 24, 2019 10:19:29 GMT -6
It will, digitally, but I'm not sure about physically.
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Post by Saint Germain on May 24, 2019 11:16:29 GMT -6
It will, digitally, but I'm not sure about physically. Will it be CD quality or MP3 ?
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Post by purifyweirdshard on May 24, 2019 11:34:25 GMT -6
No further details about the OST yet besides what you see here.
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Post by Saint Germain on May 24, 2019 11:42:32 GMT -6
understood thanks for the info
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