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Post by mariofanaticxv on May 14, 2018 17:55:46 GMT -6
I'm looking at this and I'm rather confused, because it seems to imply that parts of the actual game- not predorder bonuses but actual in-game items and even boss fights- are going to be removed from the game before release. Am I reading this wrong, or are we only able to purchase an incomplete shareware copy if we missed the KickStarter (or buy a physical copy from someone else who KickStarted)? I had been hoping to buy the collector's edition, but this would definitely turn me away from a purchase.
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Post by Astaroth on May 14, 2018 18:26:43 GMT -6
i cant actually see what you wrote cause the spam filters first posts, but short answer is no, you get the full game if you buy retail, the backer version comes with extra content outside the story
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Post by mariofanaticxv on May 14, 2018 18:39:42 GMT -6
Ah, good; I was afraid this swordwhip thing was actually something in the game itself from the way it was written.
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Post by Astaroth on May 14, 2018 19:06:42 GMT -6
they closed the slackerbacker campaign today sadly, but keep an eye out cause it means well start hearing more details and the spoolup to release is gonna get underway soon
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Post by neff on May 30, 2018 5:28:23 GMT -6
There was a question in the survey about whether to bring in the kickstarter stuff over time or with a limited edition. Can't remember how I responded, but the swordwhip(or its red headed cousin, the whipblade) may still be a possibility.
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Post by Nuralit on May 30, 2018 6:37:02 GMT -6
Honestly? I'm pretty sure it'll be DLC. There's no way they're locking out non-backers from actual content forever. Might be delayed a bit to give backers some prestige but I'd bet real money on it being DLC.
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Post by ZeroSbr on May 30, 2018 9:17:23 GMT -6
I always said that backer-exclusive in-game content was nonsense, even after I backed. I really hope IGA & co. change their minds about this.
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Post by Squirrel Taskmaster on May 31, 2018 17:31:14 GMT -6
Hopefully the content to be available to everyone. I didn't sign on so I could sit around giggling and doing my best star-bellied sneech impression.
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Post by Cranium on May 31, 2018 18:42:57 GMT -6
It is not content cut from the base game, it is bonus content intended specifically for backers. It was an incentive for people to donate more, just as the physical rewards were incentives to donate more. Giving that content to everyone would be unfair to those who backed for it.
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Post by lovelydumpling on Jun 1, 2018 0:22:49 GMT -6
It is not content cut from the base game, it is bonus content intended specifically for backers. It was an incentive for people to donate more, just as the physical rewards were incentives to donate more. Giving that content to everyone would be unfair to those who backed for it. While I do agree to some extent, I'd really like the folks to compromise. I backed $125 into the game but I still don't want the content permalocked. I don't want it just given away on launch either though, since it costed backers an additional $32 to unlock the content. I'd want it to come at a delay and with a small cost, much like pre-order bonuses. Because I don't think permalocked content is something we really should offer or promote in the game industry. I am slightly interested in the proposal on the survey to make the swordwhip and stuff available to non backers but to give an exclusive special skin of the items to backers. It's not my favorite, cause I'd still feel dirty about non-backers never being able to obtain these skins, but I think it's another fair compromise to consider that splits down the middle for backers wanting exclusive content and non-backers wanting access to game content. A cosmetic skin is less damaging than an exclusive weapon or dear lord a boss fight.
Edit: I'd also argue locked content like this would kind of promote piracy on the likes of Vita or PC where it's easiest to do so, since a pirated copy of a game can use whatever DLC they want that's been made available regardless of exclusivity. And giving more benefits to piracy is a big no bueno.
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Post by freddythemonkey on Jun 1, 2018 0:53:00 GMT -6
Darkest Dungeon did the skin thingie quite well as far as I'm concerned, so I'm interested in the possibility.
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Post by Cranium on Jun 1, 2018 8:10:44 GMT -6
It is not "locked content", it is additional content. There should be no need for a compromise. Nobody is talking about a compromise for them selling the physical rewards a length of time after the game releases. Why? Is it not unfair that non-backers are permanently locked from getting them? Also, there is nothing fair about your compromise as it still goes back on the promise of an exclusive reward for backing.
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Post by Nuralit on Jun 1, 2018 8:31:33 GMT -6
It is not "locked content", it is additional content. There should be no need for a compromise. Nobody is talking about a compromise for them selling the physical rewards a length of time after the game releases. Why? Is it not unfair that non-backers are permanently locked from getting them? Also, there is nothing fair about your compromise as it still goes back on the promise of an exclusive reward for backing. That's completely different, man. It's still content in the game that will forever be inaccessible to future players. That's hardly a good thing, Bloodstained should be a new beginning for IGA and his games, locking people out of content, even if it is additional content, isn't really good. It's not like it's just some cosmetic stuff, there's actual bosses and rooms that are included in that.
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Post by Cranium on Jun 1, 2018 8:36:01 GMT -6
No, it isn't. Both the digital content and the physical items were backer rewards.
As far as I'm aware, we don't know how the backer content will be implemented.
You cannot "lock" people out of content they do not have. Also, how is going back on a backer reward good?
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Post by Nuralit on Jun 1, 2018 8:42:18 GMT -6
No, it isn't. Both the digital content and the physical items were backer rewards. As far as I'm aware, we don't know how the backer content will be implemented. You cannot "lock" people out of content they do not have. Also, how is going back on a backer reward good? A physical item with no relevance to the game is fundamentally different from actual gameplay-relevant content in said game. If you seriously argue this point, I'm not gonna lie, you just WANT to argue. It'll be implemented as extra rooms and bosses, what's there to not know here? By definition, if you use the term "locking out", you're implying the person cannot access something. Whether that's a place, or content in a game, locking out fundamentally implies the person not having something. It's not like they've decreed that without consulting anybody, the survey is meant to ask backers what how they feel about this. I, as a backer, say wholeheartedly that rooms and bosses are way too major to be backer-exclusive, it's a dick move to lock people out of it forever. As long as the backers get that stuff for free, I'm all for them selling it to others as DLC.
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Post by Cranium on Jun 1, 2018 8:49:57 GMT -6
People who didn't back the amount for the backer content won't have it "in said game". Also, the weapon and boss have "no relevance to the game" as they are ADDITIONAL CONTENT.
That's really weak of you. You've basically just said my entire argument is meaningless because digital backer rewards aren't really backer rewards.
I'm not the one using that term.
The survey was not backer exclusive, from what I understand.
Its a dick move to go back on a promised reward.
Then they better sell all the physical rewards to others.
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Post by Cranium on Jun 1, 2018 8:55:59 GMT -6
From the Kickstarters FAQs
Preloaded implies that the backer content in NOT included in the base game.
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Post by Nuralit on Jun 1, 2018 10:09:53 GMT -6
Cranium Christ, you're stubborn. It's additional content that is actually gameplay-relevant, and so is relevant to the game. Period. You can say it's weak or whatever, but it's true. You're acting like a child who refuses to share, and you just want to argue. You might not be the one using the term, but your definition for it is wrong, don't try to deflect. I'm pretty certain the survey was backer exclusive. The reward is still going to be there, it's just hopefully going to become accessible to the rest of the people who purchase the game. Nobody's taking away your toys. Physical rewards are, once again, not relevant to gameplay. Weapons are, so are rooms, so are bosses. This is fact, and no amount of word twisting will make you convince anybody otherwise. When did I ever say it's included in the base game? I'm saying it should be sold as DLC for others. Seriously, does it bother you THIS much that other people might pay to get what you're getting for free? Jesus. Let's be honest here. If people realize they'll never have the full experience no matter how much they pay, guess what happens? Everyone will just be driven to pirate the game so they can have the inevitably full experience that crackers always provide for free. And there goes Castlevania's revival. Press F to pay respects.
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Post by Cranium on Jun 1, 2018 10:28:38 GMT -6
Nuralit The only one being a child here is you, as evident by your name calling. The base game doesn't feature the backer content therefore it is of no relevance to the base game. Period. What I said was weak was your claim that I just want to argue because I haven't walked away from the argument. I haven't walked away because my points are valid and yours are not. Here you failed to even try explaining why my "definition" is wrong. If the content isn't in the game, you aren't "locked out of it". If there is no door, it can't be locked. Is that explanation dumbed down enough for you? Exclusivity was part of the reward. Releasing it to everyone else is to spit in the face of the backers who were promised that exclusive content for backing the project. Again, talking down to me in a derogatory fashion. Further evidence that you're just a petty child crying because other people don't get the same "toys". I don't have to twist words. I have facts. FACT: the exclusive backer content is only for backers who pledged a certain amount and is owed to nobody else. FACT: giving it to everyone else would go back on the promise of an exclusive reward to those backers. FACT: it isn't in the base game so you are not "locked out" of it, it isn't there in the first place. Is it really so hard for your tiny brain to understand that some people don't like being lied to or tricked? Or having promises broken because someone else cried alot about not getting the same thing? You must be smoking crack if you honestly think something so stupid.
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Post by roguedragon05 on Jun 1, 2018 10:36:58 GMT -6
Speaking of...
Often times conflict is the result of neither side being willing to "agree to disagree". Even those on the positive side tend to fall back onto "being negative" as a reason to disregard others feelings / thoughts and of course than only makes things worse.
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