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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 12:49:38 GMT -6
I dont think swapping to the Switch is a good idea right off hand either. There's no telling how well the system will do, since Nintendo has done such a good job of slapping its fandom over the last handful of years. I'd say, honestly, to cut Nintendo console support altogether and port it to the Switch later on if the Console proves itself. The 3DS minigame is already safe, since the 3DS was a massive success. That's exactly what I said earlier in this thread, but some people just have this idea that the game "has" to release on a Nintendo platform, it seems. But the fact is no one knows how well the Switch will sell. All you have to do is look at the number of Wiis sold and compare that to the number of Wii Us sold, and that should tell you there's no guarantee the Switch will sell a specific amount. More importantly, I have to state again that the Switch is not part of the Kickstarter. I'd love for the game to be completely 2D, but that wasn't part of the Kickstarter. That concept wasn't funded. I don't see why they should commit Kickstarter funds to a Switch version just because the Wii U version may be cancelled. If everyone that has a Wii U were going to receive a free Switch, that would be different. The game is already going to be released on many platforms, including a handheld, so I'd like to see them concentrate on the task at hand. Many things could go wrong as it is. But if the game is a success, that will open up many possibilities, so I think that's what is most important. This has been brought up a couple of times, but seems to have fallen on deaf ears. Iga has absolutely no reason to support Switch from the get-go unless the porting costs are minuscule. Igavanias feel mostly at home on Nintendo's hardware, which is due to the fact that most of Igavanias were on GBA and DS. Nintendo gamers which backed for the Wii U version of Bloodstained should get it either on Wii U or Switch. Switch will no doubt be more successfull than Wii U, and it makes sense to make a port for the new upcoming hardware, so that Bloodstained can be played on it, for Nintendo gamers. Based on what? Your wishful thinking?
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Post by ReySol on Nov 21, 2016 2:27:59 GMT -6
That's exactly what I said earlier in this thread, but some people just have this idea that the game "has" to release on a Nintendo platform, it seems. But the fact is no one knows how well the Switch will sell. All you have to do is look at the number of Wiis sold and compare that to the number of Wii Us sold, and that should tell you there's no guarantee the Switch will sell a specific amount. More importantly, I have to state again that the Switch is not part of the Kickstarter. I'd love for the game to be completely 2D, but that wasn't part of the Kickstarter. That concept wasn't funded. I don't see why they should commit Kickstarter funds to a Switch version just because the Wii U version may be cancelled. If everyone that has a Wii U were going to receive a free Switch, that would be different. The game is already going to be released on many platforms, including a handheld, so I'd like to see them concentrate on the task at hand. Many things could go wrong as it is. But if the game is a success, that will open up many possibilities, so I think that's what is most important. This has been brought up a couple of times, but seems to have fallen on deaf ears. Iga has absolutely no reason to support Switch from the get-go unless the porting costs are minuscule. Igavanias feel mostly at home on Nintendo's hardware, which is due to the fact that most of Igavanias were on GBA and DS. Nintendo gamers which backed for the Wii U version of Bloodstained should get it either on Wii U or Switch. Switch will no doubt be more successful than Wii U, and it makes sense to make a port for the new upcoming hardware, so that Bloodstained can be played on it, for Nintendo gamers. Based on what? Your wishful thinking? -it cannot do worse than Wii U -based on preview trailer, there was much interest from media, industry and gamers -many third party publishers said they will put games on Switch -it is both handheld and console type hardware so it accommodates more gamers and it is one of its best features -competitive/low price (if rumors are true) -most Nintendo gamers will want Switch, more so because they had skipped Wii U -Nintendo has learned much after failure with Wii U and has improved marketing and gone mobile (Pokemon go, Super Mario Run) to attract more attention
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 5:38:08 GMT -6
-it cannot do worse than Wii U -based on preview trailer, there was much interest from media, industry and gamers -many third party publishers said they will put games on Switch -it is both handheld and console type hardware so it accommodates more gamers and it is one of its best features -competitive/low price (if rumors are true) -most Nintendo gamers will want Switch, more so because they had skipped Wii U -Nintendo has learned much after failure with Wii U and has improved marketing and gone mobile (Pokemon go, Super Mario Run) to attract more attention -Baseless assumption. -Broad statement that tells us nothing. -They said that for the Wii and the Wii U and look at how that worked out. Ubisoft is especially notorious for announcing support and then releasing nothing but shovelware. -As a home console it lacks power and as a portable it is too big to casually carry around, on top of having a short battery life, so who exactly does it accommodate? -Low price compared to what? It can't match the price-to-power ratio of current gen home consoles and there are no new portable consoles being released by the competition. Can't compare it to phones/tablets either as they are a necessity in every household nowadays. -Another baseless assumption. -Just like they learned from Wii's low attach rate and made a 3rd party friendly console with the Wii U, right? Hah. Wanna give it another shot?
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Post by purifyweirdshard on Nov 21, 2016 8:52:30 GMT -6
I think that objectively in a business sense, yeah, cutting the Nintendo support might be a good idea, but I don't see that as an option. We definitely should look at this seriously from a business standpoint, but businesses also have to consider more than just their numbers to be successful. Kickstarters are emotional endeavors, involving a lot of faith put forward. Potentially alienating a chunk of the fans by cutting Nintendo entirely would hurt more, fan support wise etc, than the advantage gained from it risk/cost wise. KS projects are under such fine microscopic scrutiny (due in part to that emotional/faith process) that any exploitable chink in its reputation or delivery can be blown out of proportion at record speed. A standard dev group/publisher is likely big enough to recover from that, shrug it off and continue to release anyway, but in the case of an indie game...how the product is perceived as its coming down the pipe, and afterward, is everything.
It -could- work out if that road was taken, but I think the risk would be greater than otherwise just changing the platform to the latter Nintendo console. If just a handful could cause so much stir over Miriam's boobs, imagine the ruckus if we take copies of the game out of likely a larger number of peoples' hands.
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Post by BloodyTears92 on Nov 21, 2016 9:02:53 GMT -6
Lets talk about "Third Party Support" for the Switch shall we?
Remember the Capcom 5? The 5 games Capcom was going to make exclusive for the Gamecube to revitalize a failing console? Of those 5 games: -3 of them: Resident Evil 4, Killer 7 and Viewtiful Joe were ALL ported to the PS2 despite the exclusivity promise and have continued to be ported to this day, with RE4 in particular having 11 console ports at time or writing thanks to the recent re-release of the HD remaster for PS4/Xbone -Dead Phoenix never even relesaed -PNO3 was the only game that actually remained an exclusive and was panned universally
Remember how exciting it was to see Skyrim in that Switch Trailer? Bethesda came out right after that just to say it wasn't actually confirmed to be in development for the Switch.
Third Party promises of support are utterly meaningless until we see an actual list of games confirmed to release on the console. All Nintendo has right now is a snappy trailer of another console with a gimmick and a promise that they'll do better this time, which frankly means absolutely nothing in the modern gaming industry. I don't personally like the idea of leaving Nintendo utterly out in the cold due to the reprucusions it could have on IGA's reputation but its just so risky from a business standpoint.
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Post by ReySol on Nov 21, 2016 10:03:52 GMT -6
-it cannot do worse than Wii U -based on preview trailer, there was much interest from media, industry and gamers -many third party publishers said they will put games on Switch -it is both handheld and console type hardware so it accommodates more gamers and it is one of its best features -competitive/low price (if rumors are true) -most Nintendo gamers will want Switch, more so because they had skipped Wii U -Nintendo has learned much after failure with Wii U and has improved marketing and gone mobile (Pokemon go, Super Mario Run) to attract more attention Wanna give it another shot? It is my opinion and prediction based on what I have read. I don't need to prove it, time will tell, besides we don't know everything yet about Switch. It is better to think positive than approach with such negative critism. The fact that there is big interest in Switch is enough for me and I hope Bloodstained will be released on it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 12:53:05 GMT -6
purifyweirdshard ; Any risk related to cutting Nintendo support (at launch) was minimized by Ninty ceasing Wii U production. It is my opinion and prediction based on what I have read. I don't need to prove it, time will tell, besides we don't know everything yet about Switch. It is better to think positive than approach with such negative critism. The fact that there is big interest in Switch is enough for me and I hope Bloodstained will be released on it. You need to have a bloody good case if you're suggesting a notable investment into a port for an unreleased console.
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Post by BloodyTears92 on Nov 21, 2016 13:45:30 GMT -6
I can certainly agree with Nyahahaha on that point, and I hadn't thought of it. Inti could easily, and correctly, shift a lot of the negativity towards Nintendo for ceasing support of the console long before B-Staind was ready. Its not IGA's style and I dont think he'd do that, but the point does stand that Nintendo should take most of the heat.
"Why did you cut the Wii U version that we funded in the KS?" "Because Nintendo cut the console short before we'd even gotten started on the port"
That's totally fair. Inti would be at a net loss to port the game to a dead console that isnt even in production anymore and has no support.
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Post by ReySol on Nov 22, 2016 2:24:38 GMT -6
purifyweirdshard ; Any risk related to cutting Nintendo support (at launch) was minimized by Ninty ceasing Wii U production. It is my opinion and prediction based on what I have read. I don't need to prove it, time will tell, besides we don't know everything yet about Switch. It is better to think positive than approach with such negative critism. The fact that there is big interest in Switch is enough for me and I hope Bloodstained will be released on it. You need to have a bloody good case if you're suggesting a notable investment into a port for an unreleased console. I don`t need to have a case, I am only writing my opinion; and it is not me who is making decisions, but IGA and the publishers. It makes more sense now to make a port for Switch than Wii U, it has potential to sell many copies. On the other hand Wii U port was part of the kickstarter campaign and many gamers are expecting to get it. Whatever IGA decides, I hope he delivers at least one version of Bloodstained for Nintendo gamers. A port for Nintendo`s console was definitely financed during the kickstarter campaign, and it might be much easier to port to Switch than Wii U, regarding development/porting work and with less compromises in quality .
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2016 13:06:46 GMT -6
You need to have a bloody good case if you're suggesting a notable investment into a port for an unreleased console. I don`t need to have a case, I am only writing my opinion; and it is not me who is making decisions, but IGA and the publishers. It makes more sense now to make a port for Switch than Wii U, it has potential to sell many copies. On the other hand Wii U port was part of the kickstarter campaign and many gamers are expecting to get it. Whatever IGA decides, I hope he delivers at least one version of Bloodstained for Nintendo gamers. A port for Nintendo`s console was definitely financed during the kickstarter campaign, and it might be much easier to port to Switch than Wii U, regarding development/porting work and with less compromises in quality . Ugh. You insist on using "makes sense" and thus tell us your stance on this matter is derived from a logical, rational conclusion. When asked to elaborate, you adamantly refuse while writing off your posts as nothing more than an opinion, thinking that completely absolves you from giving an explanation. Proper discussions don't work like this.
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Post by ReySol on Nov 22, 2016 13:41:43 GMT -6
I don`t need to have a case, I am only writing my opinion; and it is not me who is making decisions, but IGA and the publishers. It makes more sense now to make a port for Switch than Wii U, it has potential to sell many copies. On the other hand Wii U port was part of the kickstarter campaign and many gamers are expecting to get it. Whatever IGA decides, I hope he delivers at least one version of Bloodstained for Nintendo gamers. A port for Nintendo`s console was definitely financed during the kickstarter campaign, and it might be much easier to port to Switch than Wii U, regarding development/porting work and with less compromises in quality . Ugh. You insist on using "makes sense" and thus tell us your stance on this matter is derived from a logical, rational conclusion. When asked to elaborate, you adamantly refuse while writing off your posts as nothing more than an opinion, thinking that completely absolves you from giving an explanation. Proper discussions don't work like this. I feel so much negativity from you, and also the way you are describing my posts is not accurate. I cannot understand people who only want to impose their opinion, while not respecting others. When I see people like that on forums, those places become off-putting. My opinion is based on everything that is happening with Switch and Bloodstained situation, on what media and people are saying. It is not some absolute truth or conclusions that I am trying to tell (or convince you). At first I told you what I am basing my opinion on and I have explained it, but your opinion/arguments do not dissmiss mine. On the other side, you think that your opinion and conclusions are better. Although I respect your opinion, I do not agree. I prefer to believe in positive outcome and hope for the best. That Bloodstained will be released on Switch and both Bloodstained and Switch will be a big success.
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Post by Astaroth on Nov 22, 2016 15:48:30 GMT -6
actually, id make a case for the switch being equivalent in power to a ps4, they did show skyrim in the trailer and if you were paying attention to both eas and bethesdas comments on their games being shown in the trailer the comments were nearly identical, kinda like an nda boilerplate statement, add in that nintendo straight up said no game reveals or further info until jan and i think you can connect the dots. im willing to bet theyre both on the switch and not as dumbed down versions [hell ue4 has even confirmed they will be supporting the switch]
a rumored 4gb of ram is only low when you dont take into acount the ps4/xbox use very little ram to actually run games, most of its tied up in precaching from disk/hdd to reduce load times [cartridges on switch eliminates that need], streaming/sharing/vr [have no confirmation the nx will do any of that], and running the os [something nintendo is very good at streamlining and making very barebones]
as for graphical power there is a point where PHENOMENAL COSMIC GRAPHICS!!!!!!!!!!!1 just straight up become marketing gimmicks, the human eye can only process so much and theres a point where the graphics become too fine for the screen, 4k needs x size screen because an smaller than that would be wasted, 1080p needs x size screen because anything smaller than that would be wasted, so why output 4k to a tv most of us dont have, and why output 1080p to something the size of a wiiu screen? those system resource are better served making a smoother and longer game experience, and there can be a mode the system kicks into when its not conserving power (kinda like laptops have maybe?) where it uses its full processing power and outputs in 1080p when its plugged into a tv
however itll take a lot of tweaking and optimization to give it great battery life, that will probably be its biggest limiting factor, but then given my laptop when it was new only ran an hr before the battery died the rumored 3-5 hrs of battery life to be able to play ZELDA ON THE GO (seriously, not a gameboy zelda, full fucking console zelda) isnt a big deal for me [plus theres this magical device called a charge cable that was momentarily shown in the trailer, ill just add that to the phone/ds cables i carry anyway >3>]
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 8:29:17 GMT -6
Astaroth ; I was never a fan of the whole graphic push, but it is, unfortunately, an important in the industry. If the Switch has subpar performance, multiplatform releases will require additional work from the devs, as imposing limitations for all versions is really not on the table for them. To go off on a tangent, I'd rather see all the power that consoles have nowadays go into creating bigger worlds with giant towns that have vibrant streets full of shops, stalls and npcs, with every object looking like it came from the PS2, than devs making good looking corridors filled with pebbles and junk that each have their own set of high-res textures. The industry does create sizable open world games, but they all have to look good, which in turn requires the creation of a lot of resources and a lot of optimization. This makes this genre exclusive to big pubs/devs, effectively killing off the chances of a mid or small dev making a larger than life action/rpg adventure game that a lot of us were hoping would pop-up since the 90s. So yeah, the unrelenting graphic push fucking sucks. feel so much negativity from you, and also the way you are describing my posts is not accurate. I cannot understand people who only want to impose their opinion, while not respecting others. When I see people like that on forums, those places become off-putting. My opinion is based on everything that is happening with Switch and Bloodstained situation, on what media and people are saying. It is not some absolute truth or conclusions that I am trying to tell (or convince you). At first I told you what I am basing my opinion on and I have explained it, but your opinion/arguments do not dissmiss mine. On the other side, you think that your opinion and conclusions are better. Although I respect your opinion, I do not agree. I prefer to believe in positive outcome and hope for the best. That Bloodstained will be released on Switch and both Bloodstained and Switch will be a big success. Oh, I'd say I was pretty much spot on. Also, if you have a problem with my posts or me, you do realize that you can just not respond or outright ignore me, right?
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Post by Aztec on Nov 23, 2016 11:34:03 GMT -6
feel so much negativity from you, and also the way you are describing my posts is not accurate. I cannot understand people who only want to impose their opinion, while not respecting others. When I see people like that on forums, those places become off-putting. My opinion is based on everything that is happening with Switch and Bloodstained situation, on what media and people are saying. It is not some absolute truth or conclusions that I am trying to tell (or convince you). At first I told you what I am basing my opinion on and I have explained it, but your opinion/arguments do not dissmiss mine. On the other side, you think that your opinion and conclusions are better. Although I respect your opinion, I do not agree. I prefer to believe in positive outcome and hope for the best. That Bloodstained will be released on Switch and both Bloodstained and Switch will be a big success. Oh, I'd say I was pretty much spot on. Also, if you have a problem with my posts or me, you do realize that you can just not respond or outright ignore me, right? I'm with @reysol I think you're being a little aggressive and negative here. And sometimes problems or things that bother us do not get resolver or get better by ignoring them. Its the same reason forums have moderators instead of ignoring everything. As for the topic I wish Iga would come out and say already they're switching to the Switch but it probably is best to wait until after the console launches and people forget the WiiU exists anymore.
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Post by Scars Unseen on Nov 23, 2016 11:35:13 GMT -6
Also, if you have a problem with my posts or me, you do realize that you can just not respond or outright ignore me, right? But you're too lovable to ignore, Nya. Like a porcupine whose quills have been laced with DMT.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 14:53:10 GMT -6
Also, if you have a problem with my posts or me, you do realize that you can just not respond or outright ignore me, right? But you're too lovable to ignore, Nya. Like a porcupine whose quills have been laced with DMT. ilu2 <3
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Post by layn on Nov 30, 2016 1:59:23 GMT -6
Finally registered on here to find out about this topic. I really would by far prefer a Switch version. It would just be perfect being able to take the game with me everywhere AND play at home. I don't think I'd mind getting a Wii U version since it's looking like it might hang about my living room for some time yet, although I don't have a much greater preference for the Wii U version at this moment over any other platform (although off-screen play would be nice). The Switch version would however be the ideal choice for me.
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Post by arct1c0n on Dec 6, 2016 11:55:21 GMT -6
Ugh. You insist on using "makes sense" and thus tell us your stance on this matter is derived from a logical, rational conclusion. When asked to elaborate, you adamantly refuse while writing off your posts as nothing more than an opinion, thinking that completely absolves you from giving an explanation. Proper discussions don't work like this. I feel so much negativity from you, and also the way you are describing my posts is not accurate. I cannot understand people who only want to impose their opinion, while not respecting others. When I see people like that on forums, those places become off-putting. OH christ, farking gag me....
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Post by purifyweirdshard on Dec 6, 2016 12:32:24 GMT -6
I feel so much negativity from you, and also the way you are describing my posts is not accurate. I cannot understand people who only want to impose their opinion, while not respecting others. When I see people like that on forums, those places become off-putting. OH christ, farking gag me.... arct1c0n sir, that is quite inappropriate and there's no real reason to comment on that exchange at this point anyway. They (seem to have) worked it out and moving on would be the best for all. I would encourage you to edit or delete that post, but not require you to.
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Post by Ixbran on Dec 6, 2016 22:21:14 GMT -6
I'm genuinely surprised there is still so much negative hostility in regards to Bloodstained being involved on a Nintendo Console. The fact that someone on these boards with an FE character avatar is all for not having a WiiU or NS version of Bloodstained? Talk about hypocrisy. It seems to me people just dont think it will do well on Nintendo simply because its a fad to say so.
Initially i wasn't sure how I felt about the Wii U being abandoned for the NS, but after learning more about the switch, and the acquisition of my new job, I feel a Switch port would be ideal. But i still think the best solution would be to just have Bloodstained be released on both, with the WiiU version being a digital download only title.
With all the support I see online for the NS, from EA, to Activision, I believe that it can and will work out well enough. We'll just have to wait and see.
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