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Post by XombieMike on Jun 23, 2016 13:56:09 GMT -6
So the update mentioned that you can get a shout out in the next update if you beat romscout 's run. That's 2:45 currently. Post videos and times for what you run! Update said, "Post your runs to Twitch VOD or YouTube with "Bloodstained Demo Speedrun" in the title, so we can find them!"
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Post by Viftech on Jun 23, 2016 14:17:29 GMT -6
I got my time down to 3:39.50, I made a lot of mistakes in this run, but got lucky with the early head flail shard to buy back lost time. But a thing I have wondered about is how does everyone time their run. I always start the timer the moment I hit game start and end it when I get the level up message since that means I killed the boss. Anyways hope some of the "tricks" in this video at least helps somebody else with their speedrun strategy. Most Castlevania veterans will probably do the quick attacks a lot better than I ever will. So I think it's possible to knock off 8 to 15 seconds from the way I do it. Good luck everybody.
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Post by A Man in Flames on Jun 23, 2016 14:49:24 GMT -6
I think most can agree the timer should begin from when you hit game start and end at the Level Up message. As for your run, viftech, not too shabby. A fair amount of input mistakes and misplaced attacks (namely at the boss: could have gotten more Dullahammer swings at the chest/head for more damage), the run could easy go sub 3 minutes. Keep at it!
I can't help but shake a feeling that getting the Dullahammer shard en route to the boss may be a run dealbreaker. The DPS boost it brings could dramatically reduce the number of hits needed to fell the boss, so not getting it could be the difference between taking her down before she goes through attack patterns that will hamper your run time significantly.
Overall, I am thinking in the realm of 2:30 or faster for serious competition.
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Post by fatihG on Jun 23, 2016 15:06:41 GMT -6
I think starting from 'Game start' is not fair. People with a fast SSD for example will be able to load the game faster than someone with a regular HDD.
I think the Timer should start the moment you have entered the game.
Interesting run! So far I was ignoring all of the enemies and would reach the boss about about 2:20. You managed to beat the boss way faster than it takes me at level 1 without any shards! There are some things you can improve upon.
Ill try to upload my run asap, (slow internet it is taking a while!). For example the section with the Buers, you can just jump towards them and slash your sword.
Attacking the boss, instead of only doing the jump attack, I would add a backdash cancel attack after it. That way you get 3 attacks in a single jump.
(says it will be done uploading in 20 minutes)
Got about 3:35 (Without the main menu stuff, starting directly in game, so add a few seconds to it if the rules are you need to start from 'Game Start' and wait through the loading screen.)
If anyone has some usefull tools for speedruns (like a timer) can we share it please? Also Xombie any shared stuff could you add it to the OP? =]
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Post by Viftech on Jun 23, 2016 15:40:21 GMT -6
Sorry for posting again so soon, but A Man in Flames and fatihG kind words inspired me to one last run. (3:32.46) min. I don't think I can do better than this without seriously good luck on my side. So if Romscout doesn't win by a time under 3:00 min, which he himself has said he has done, I will consider it a spiritual victory Good luck everybody, we're gonna need it
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Post by fatihG on Jun 23, 2016 16:20:03 GMT -6
Interesting. Last run I did I did it in 3:32 as well. TBF my game loaded up like 2 secs faster than yours.
Will be ready in a bit
Again really dont think starting at 'game start' is fair. If this was a console or handheld game than it would make sense. Same hardware, would load up at the same speed. But since we are playing on PC and there are unlimited amount of configurations, we should try to avoid any loading screens as much as possible.
I think I can save time with the Dullahammers, and if they would drop a Shard that would help with the boss fight as well.
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Post by gweedo767 on Jun 23, 2016 19:37:30 GMT -6
Start time should be the moment the game start (Loading screen gone). End time should be the first moment you can make out "Thanks For Playing". Have my first "No Dash" time uploading to YouTube now. Going to practice dashing later and see what I can do.
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Post by LuckPercentSRL on Jun 23, 2016 20:15:13 GMT -6
Finally get to attempt the demo speedrun tonight. I'll try for a run. But honestly, with a keyboard it will be a challenge. I did just do it in under 5 minutes, but I wasn't recording nor was I timing myself. I'll be back later to have a under 4 minute run. It ain't that hard
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Post by thrashinuva on Jun 23, 2016 20:40:18 GMT -6
What do you guys use to capture and also as a timer?
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Post by tav7623 on Jun 23, 2016 20:48:12 GMT -6
Wasn't planning on speed running the demo (cause I typically suck at speed running) let alone post a video of me trying to do one, but I recently got a new graphics card and found out it has a feature (which wasn't available with my previous graphics card) that lets me record/upload gameplay videos through Play.tv as well as do Twitch broadcasts so I figured what the hell. So without further ado here is my (imo poorly done) attempt to speed run the Bloodstained E3 demo.
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Post by LuckPercentSRL on Jun 23, 2016 21:36:25 GMT -6
What do you guys use to capture and also as a timer? I use Xsplit Live Broadcaster as my capture device. Its free for recording and for livestreaming. Timer I use WSplit. --------------------------------------- As I have said before, I would attempt this night and get an under 4 minute run. Delievered: (not sure how to post the video like you all are doing so yeah) RunStarted the timer about when the game started and when you push start on the menu because there are different loading times. I ended at the thanks for playing message. All and all 3:50 ain't bad on a keyboard. Plenty of mistakes and not a smooth path to getting the exp to level up. Also looking into the difference of canceling the backdash vs the regular backdash and seeing which is faster.
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Post by lunawofl on Jun 23, 2016 22:38:38 GMT -6
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Post by Roofress on Jun 23, 2016 22:44:37 GMT -6
Hi! I got introduced to this thread from XombieMike This is the best I've done so far and will look to drop this as low as I possibly can. Movement is probably the best I can get it with some minor things like consistently getting the jump after the Morte Cannons onto the second platform, jumping off the stairs to reach the platform in the room with the Buers, etc. I believe getting the Dullahammer is essential for a fast boss kill which means lot of resetting if you don't get it on the first one in the route.
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Post by lunawofl on Jun 23, 2016 22:50:52 GMT -6
Oh yeah, by my random count I've got 3:08ish... save the dullahans ;w; Clunky high mana using awkward timing dullahammer isn't worth it ;w;
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Post by fastlikelightning on Jun 24, 2016 1:51:02 GMT -6
This is my current PB, I'm pretty proud of it. As far as I can tell, this is the current best that's been recorded. I have absolutely no idea how to shave off a full 19 more seconds though; methinks there is some bug that I'm not aware of, because while this could be optimized more, but I can't see it going further than ~3:15. I guess I'll need to wait for the stream to see what tricks that Romscout is hiding.
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Post by crocodile on Jun 24, 2016 2:00:27 GMT -6
I dunno if its his PB but romscout just posted this run. This is what you have to beat people. Good luck! <3
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Post by LuckPercentSRL on Jun 24, 2016 5:32:50 GMT -6
I dunno if its his PB but romscout just posted this run. This is what you have to beat people. Good luck! <3 Wow.... Thats impressive. From the flow of movement, to the attack pattern on the boss. This may be a near perfect run. Romscout doesn't seem to make a lot of mistakes. He gets through the ship very fast and simple, killing no one on the way. So the level up does lose time.... And that boss. Wow I didn't think you could just hop 2 cm off the ground and get a swing in.
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Post by LunaClefairy on Jun 24, 2016 5:52:57 GMT -6
I find speedrunners fascinating. They have a very deep understanding of game mechanics and have memorized levels in a way I could never hope to. It's crazy to see them at work. The only time I've ever done a speedrun was in Shantae: Risky's Revenge because you get rewarded for it, but I don't think I could do it on a regular basis.
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Post by fatihG on Jun 24, 2016 9:06:55 GMT -6
There are certainly some areas where Romscout made some mistakes, so if you where to do it exactly the same, but dont make those mistakes you could probably beat that time. The hop attacks on the boss are interesting though. I tried the Attack, backdash cancel, duck cancel loop on the boss but it doesnt seem to work very well on it. I assume it is because the platform is tilted.
Ill try a few more times! =]
As for software, I use OBS (open broadcasting software), you can both just record and stream to twitch or whatever. For the timer I just googled and found Wsplit.
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Post by lunawofl on Jun 24, 2016 9:40:44 GMT -6
Woot +A+ I was on the right track
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