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Post by Motoko on Aug 31, 2015 14:01:07 GMT -6
Sigh -_-
This disgusts me to no end, and I will not be buying this by normal means, I'll get on it PC and will purchase it from a greymarket dealer such as kinguin or G2A.
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Post by Goobsausage on Aug 31, 2015 14:48:20 GMT -6
For those who don't feel like watching a 20 minute video, here's an article on the Deus Ex tiered pre-orders. It views the what Deus Ex is doing as a positive thing, but I would rather just give everyone everything than have to choose between different types of bonuses. The tiers and custom pre-orders sounds too complicated. www.shacknews.com/article/91061/deus-ex-mankind-divided-release-date-and-dynamic-pre-order-bonuses-announcedTales of Zestiria is doing something similar on Steam where if enough people pre-order, they get Tales of Symphonia for free. But I think this one does it better since it's much more simple (enough pre-orders unlock free costumes and a free copy of an older game that the target audience would probably buy anyway). store.steampowered.com/app/351970UPDATE: Jim Sterling just released a video on the Deus Ex pre-orders. |
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Post by Motoko on Aug 31, 2015 15:12:15 GMT -6
For those who don't feel like watching a 20 minute video, here's an article on the Deus Ex tiered pre-orders. It views the what Deus Ex is doing as a positive thing, but I would rather just give everyone everything than have to choose between different types of bonuses. The tiers and custom pre-orders sounds too complicated. www.shacknews.com/article/91061/deus-ex-mankind-divided-release-date-and-dynamic-pre-order-bonuses-announcedTales of Zestiria is doing something similar on Steam where if enough people pre-order, they get Tales of Symphonia for free. But I think this one does it better since it's much more simple (enough pre-orders unlock free costumes and a free copy of an older game that the target audience would probably buy anyway). store.steampowered.com/app/351970UPDATE: Jim Sterling just released a video on the Deus Ex pre-orders. I was going to post Jim's video at first, but decided against it. TB has alot more points to be made and I agree with them. |
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Post by XombieMike on Aug 31, 2015 15:19:34 GMT -6
Very interesting points. Having exclusive backer content for Bloodstained falls in line with some of Total Biscuits points.
Don't get me wrong, I like some pre-orders. I was very happy about getting my Portrait of Ruin stuff. There are some good points to his way of thinking though. All of us here areally guilty of loving Bloodstained before it's released, but we have IGA and his previous games to base our expectations on. I encourage you to recruit your friends and family to hop on this hype train. The sales of Bloodstained will make or break the next one and influence the next Castlevania title if Konami recognizes success.
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Post by Ciel on Aug 31, 2015 17:33:51 GMT -6
Tales of Zestiria is doing something similar on Steam where if enough people pre-order, they get Tales of Symphonia for free. But I think this one does it better since it's much more simple (enough pre-orders unlock free costumes and a free copy of an older game that the target audience would probably buy anyway). store.steampowered.com/app/351970The problem is, with Tales of Zestiria you get all tier rewards. From what I have understood, that doesn't happens in Deus Ex, you don't get everything, you have to choose what you want. Considering there is costumes, exclusive weapons from Human Revolution and a exclusive mission, it's impossible to get everything even if they hit Tier 5, and that is problematic. Well I don't really care about the game, but I seriously hope this kind of pre-order doesn't get popular. |
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Post by Motoko on Aug 31, 2015 19:53:08 GMT -6
Tales of Zestiria is doing something similar on Steam where if enough people pre-order, they get Tales of Symphonia for free. But I think this one does it better since it's much more simple (enough pre-orders unlock free costumes and a free copy of an older game that the target audience would probably buy anyway). store.steampowered.com/app/351970The problem is, with Tales of Zestiria you get all tier rewards. From what I have understood, that doesn't happens in Deus Ex, you don't get everything, you have to choose what you want. Considering there is costumes, exclusive weapons from Human Revolution and a exclusive mission, it's impossible to get everything even if they hit Tier 5, and that is problematic. Well I don't really care about the game, but I seriously hope this kind of pre-order doesn't get popular. Well, the internet is on fire right now with the pre-order announcement trailer..and they've got every reason to be. Square-Enix is usually a cool publisher about things, so I'm kinda puzzled as to why they just decided to take this approach. I'm quite familiar with the term that devs & publishers use "leaving money on the table" but this is just out for blood. I don't mind pre-ordering games to nab some cool things, but when it's done like this to where you CAN'T get everything..then I have a problem. |
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Post by Lelygax on Aug 31, 2015 20:38:51 GMT -6
Im laughing so hard about this tragic scene, not from the poor people, but from the situation. They are really trying to sell DLC before the game even launches? It is like DLC to me, since they come and say "hey, you're seeing this? this content exists and is planned even before release, in fact this game is still being made, but we are so shameless thaat we are really telling it" while they try to make you choose what to get and IF you're able to get it.
I can understand their mindset of "you can't get everything, because it would cost more, its like trying to get everything from a store paying only for half of it" but its still hard to agree. Even so fans are being a little greedy too, since if they didn't gave a choice but instead shown only a pre-chosen package, people wouldn't say anything. Ignorance is really a bliss it seems. I don't really know how to feel about that, since I never pre-ordered a game, since I didn't count KS as a pre-order.
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Post by thrashinuva on Aug 31, 2015 20:44:16 GMT -6
"If enough people pre-order the game we'll release it early."
So it's essentially already a finished game? You're just saying right there that you're confident the game will be done and ready to ship then, but you're purposefully not going to release it until 4 days later? I'm kinda fine with most the other stuff other than the useless digital rewards (not like that's not going directly to the internet for everyone to download), but this deceptive stuff really irks me.
I wasn't interested in the game anyways. Very few games get stealth action right, and when they do very few of those games have an immersive story. Human Revolution had neither of those for me, and it had a stupid yellow filter you couldn't disable, and you were punished for taking advantage of your abilities (only so much food in the world).
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Post by zoned87 on Aug 31, 2015 20:51:41 GMT -6
Pretty messed up rip off scheme I am glad I don't care for these games.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 23:43:48 GMT -6
It's funny how these kind of business practices never stop, rather constantly degenerate until everything spirals out of control and the entire practice crashes.
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Post by Goobsausage on Aug 31, 2015 23:45:51 GMT -6
It's funny how these kind of business practices never stop, rather constantly degenerate until everything spirals out of control and the entire practice crashes. The only winning move is not to play. |
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Post by JoJo on Sept 1, 2015 10:41:31 GMT -6
Damn....
This is the worst way to commerce the game...
This is now becoming worse for pre-order
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Post by Motoko on Sept 1, 2015 10:46:07 GMT -6
Gamers are some of the most entitled people on the planet. First world problems. This type of business practice should not be acceptable by any means, it's anti-consumer and needs to be nipped in the butt. |
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Post by JoJo on Sept 1, 2015 10:50:13 GMT -6
Gamers are some of the most entitled people on the planet. First world problems. This type of business practice should not be acceptable by any means, it's anti-consumer and needs to be nipped in the butt. This is really a dark times for gamers especially on how publishers keep breaking the trust of customers This can affect also on Kickstarter if this keep going on |
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Post by JoJo on Sept 1, 2015 12:04:18 GMT -6
just as it was already pointed out; Deus Ex tier system is a parallel to how Bloodstained was backed. Obviously, not 100% and on different levels. If you want more features in bloodstained, you pre-ordered it and got those features. If you want more features in deus ex, you pre-ordered it and got those features. You won't have 100% of everything that is available out there from the start, usually unlocked at a later time for everyone. You aren't entitled to every little bit of everything. Why pay for extra "DLC" on a car? Why upgrade your bike with better parts? Why upgrade your game with "better" features? Just because bloodstained is (one of) everyone's favorite here doesn't mean you should knock Deus Ex and not knock Bloodstained for the same issue. I bitched up and down how I hated the tier system from Bloodstained and everyone just told me to shut up. Now that it is for a different game, you jump down the throat. Edit: also I was really displeased how they got the community to do all the marketing for bloodstained and everyone was fine with it since it is IGA. AT least Deus Ex isn't making you do all the marketing to unlock their tiers. I'm not sure how I will argue with your statement But I'm going to say this, if the features can be unlocked even if you are not pre-ordering it, by all means. But now is that no matter what you do, some features will not be accessible, depending on what you pick. While Bloodstained will have all of the features for all players regardless of you pre-order it or not, the only thing that is exclusive is the sword-whip, which can only be obtained by fighting IGA himself as a boss in the game. And one more reason, is that Deus Ex are developed by AAA publishers, while Bloodstained is a crowd-funded game, it's like comparing apple and orange here |
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Post by JoJo on Sept 1, 2015 12:35:31 GMT -6
It is like comparing apples and oranges. I understand you want EVERYTHING, so then either wait until that extra stuff is unlocked (which almost always is at some point either in DLC and/or GOTY/developer editions), buy 3 copies, or trade for those extra pieces. Does a few miscellaneous stuff really matter? All it is some upgrades based on how you play, few OST tracks vs art, & comic book vs novela. That isn't going to change how the game is played. You feel entitled, I am saying you shouldn't feel that way especially given how trivial the extra decisions are. I do agree that some features will never affect on how the game will played. But looking at the tier rewards that Deus Ex offered.......... |
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Post by Apollonian on Sept 1, 2015 12:49:44 GMT -6
Yeah, they almost always have the separate pre-order stuff for sale later.
And AAA Publishing only matters if they give them a big enough budget and you have to take into account how much of that is allocated toward advertisement. As someone mentioned above we are Bloodstained's free advertisers.
And the tiers for the kickstarter were similar (at least for the higher levels) where if you wanted to get everything you would have to drop some series cash to get several different versions. From what I understand the game itself should be the same but it did massively effect the collectibles.
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Post by Motoko on Sept 1, 2015 15:51:09 GMT -6
just as it was already pointed out; Deus Ex tier system is a parallel to how Bloodstained was backed. Obviously, not 100% and on different levels. If you want more features in bloodstained, you pre-ordered it and got those features. If you want more features in deus ex, you pre-ordered it and got those features. You won't have 100% of everything that is available out there from the start, usually unlocked at a later time for everyone. You aren't entitled to every little bit of everything. Why pay for extra "DLC" on a car? Why upgrade your bike with better parts? Why upgrade your game with "better" features? Just because bloodstained is (one of) everyone's favorite here doesn't mean you should knock Deus Ex and not knock Bloodstained for the same issue. I bitched up and down how I hated the tier system from Bloodstained and everyone just told me to shut up. Now that it is for a different game, you jump down the throat. Edit: also I was really displeased how they got the community to do all the marketing for bloodstained and everyone was fine with it since it is IGA. AT least Deus Ex isn't making you do all the marketing to unlock their tiers. The thing is, kickstarter and crowd funding sites aren't merch stores. You're willingly making a donation on something that may or may not happen, totally different situation. As far as "marketing" goes, in a sense, if people who pre-ordered Deus Ex want those extra tiers unlocked and play the game 4 days early, you better believe they're going to tell everyone they know about it, giving SE free marketing. Also, locking a mission behind a tierd pre-order paywall is disgusting. That shows that actual content was cut from the game just to sell pre-orders.. That's pretty evil man. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 15:56:06 GMT -6
Gamers are some of the most entitled people on the planet. First world problems. It's self-entitled. Please don't perpetuate the misuse of words and terms. As for the difference between the usual KS and this preordering system, the main difference is the purpose behind them. The former is there to attract investment (getting startup funds) while the latter just serves to squeeze an extra dime out of the costumer (securing profit). So the issue with this preordering business is the morality behind it and the fact that the (potential) costumer feels like they're being taken advantage of. |
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Post by Lelygax on Sept 1, 2015 16:12:26 GMT -6
Gamers are some of the most entitled people on the planet. First world problems. It's self-entitled. Please don't perpetuate the misuse of words and terms. As for the difference between the usual KS and this preordering system, the main difference is the purpose behind them. The former is there to attract investment (getting startup funds) while the latter just serves to squeeze an extra dime out of the costumer (securing profit). So the issue with this preordering business is the morality behind it and the fact that the (potential) costumer feels like they're being taken advantage of. It is customer, costumer is someone who makes, sells, or rents costumes. Now if it was Capcom you would be right, they sell more DLC costumes than games. |
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