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Post by Arcueid Brunestud on Aug 10, 2015 17:55:59 GMT -6
Three backers pledged $1000+. $1000+ down the drain.
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Post by Goobsausage on Aug 10, 2015 18:01:28 GMT -6
Ouch. I feel sorry for the backers and developers. Here's hoping the project can be salvaged and the assets can be bought by someone interested in completing volume 2.
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Post by qaantar on Aug 10, 2015 19:51:35 GMT -6
I should probably fix the typo in my title, but.... eh.
Over 3,000 backers, and a $30/backer average.
I went with the physical stuff tier, so I guess that won't happen. I had forgotten that the game actually got released... I suppose I should check it out.
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Post by qaantar on Aug 10, 2015 19:54:30 GMT -6
I should add, the comments are surprisingly positive. I think that's largely due to having delivered on the PC, at least.
I see at least one person asking for a refund (I'm not quite sure that person understands the situation, but...).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2015 20:35:15 GMT -6
This is what happens when people bite off more than they can chew.
Idiots.
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Post by McDerp on Aug 10, 2015 23:12:10 GMT -6
That's depressing.
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Post by gunlord500 on Aug 11, 2015 2:25:52 GMT -6
Holy crap, that game over message...;_; I feel really bad for that guy.  That said, did the project fail *after* getting funded? D: |
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Post by qaantar on Aug 11, 2015 3:11:15 GMT -6
Yes, it failed after getting funded (which again, is rarer, but it does happen). It's pretty clear from the update that they were banking on money from the sales of the released game to help boost them along. And then the sales didn't happen.
These sorts of problems are why some backers on Kickstarter ask a lot of questions about whether what the game makers are proposing is actually feasible on the budget they've described. It's also an area where indie makers probably have the least experience. I'm sure there's always a "sacrifice yourself for the game" mentality, but at some point money runs out.
Some of the earliest games that I backed on Kickstarter still aren't out (Hyper Light Drifter, MN9, Shantae). I'm a bit more optimistic for some than others. . .
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Post by Canopus on Aug 11, 2015 8:26:50 GMT -6
The good news is that backers get their money refunded. Kickstarter has conditions in place that prevents a company from not fulfilling their agreement (though they do not interfere directly), so I can guarantee these developers will need to pay back every cent. |
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Post by Dragon_of_Dojima on Aug 11, 2015 9:49:27 GMT -6
Didn't they file for bankruptcy though? I doubt they can/will pay it back.
I know kickstarter has rules and guidelines in place for stuff like this, but I'm doubtful.
I feel bad for the people who donated and the devs who put their heart and soul into this project. The backers are surprisingly gracious about all of this, and that's refreshing at the very least.
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Post by gunlord500 on Aug 11, 2015 13:21:34 GMT -6
Yes, it failed after getting funded (which again, is rarer, but it does happen). It's pretty clear from the update that they were banking on money from the sales of the released game to help boost them along. And then the sales didn't happen. These sorts of problems are why some backers on Kickstarter ask a lot of questions about whether what the game makers are proposing is actually feasible on the budget they've described. It's also an area where indie makers probably have the least experience. I'm sure there's always a "sacrifice yourself for the game" mentality, but at some point money runs out. Some of the earliest games that I backed on Kickstarter still aren't out (Hyper Light Drifter, MN9, Shantae). I'm a bit more optimistic for some than others. . . Ahh, I see. I certainly hope the backers get their money back, though as folks above said, it might be hard to do with bankruptcy... |
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Post by Lelygax on Aug 17, 2015 21:32:45 GMT -6
The good news is that backers get their money refunded. Kickstarter has conditions in place that prevents a company from not fulfilling their agreement, so I can guirantee these developers will need to pay back every cent. I've never heard about that, in fact I always heard the opposite, that after a campaign ends sucessfully, you are on your own, I will need to read their terms sometime to understand better about this. Its a shame that this game won't have a conclusion, since its trailer really got my attention. I was plannin to get it on a sale. I'm a little confused though. This game isn't finished or they we're referrin to its sequel? Because turning a 2.5D game into 3D like they mentioned, after its made isn't a good idea. Now if they're talking about the sequel, I can even understand. |
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Post by Canopus on Aug 18, 2015 9:07:00 GMT -6
The good news is that backers get their money refunded. Kickstarter has conditions in place that prevents a company from not fulfilling their agreement, so I can guirantee these developers will need to pay back every cent. I've never heard about that, in fact I always heard the opposite, that after a campaign ends sucessfully, you are on your own, I will need to read their terms sometime to understand better about this. Its a shame that this game won't have a conclusion, since its trailer really got my attention. I was plannin to get it on a sale. I'm a little confused though. This game isn't finished or they we're referrin to its sequel? Because turning a 2.5D game into 3D like they mentioned, after its made isn't a good idea. Now if they're talking about the sequel, I can even understand. This is where that's covered www.kickstarter.com/terms-of-use#section4Kickstarter has all individuals agree to a basic contract between the developers and the user. While Kickstarter does not moderate or oversee projects, this contract leaves developers liable to litigation if they don't deliver. Additionally, I don't know if Kickstarter will drop support for certain individuals if they have a large enough dispute between the project lead and the donors, but in the name of public fairness (and their public image) I'd wager that to be likely. I also think what happened is that they tried to upgrade the game from 2.5D to 3D, and that burned their budget. They thought too big, and overspent, a similar fate that happened to Mighty No. 9, and led to Inafune-san starting a second Kickstarter for the same project. This is the screen that each developer sees when they start a funding campaign, so it goes to say that people who donated do have rights to get their funds back, and can indeed pursue a suit, if need be. Not saying it would be a clean process, but if enough people are upset about it, it can be done. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2015 10:02:37 GMT -6
There have also been several successful lawsuits against KS projects that failed to deliver, so the legal precedent is there.
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Post by qaantar on Oct 21, 2015 5:24:59 GMT -6
In an interesting turn of events, it looks like another company has picked up the title and may follow through with backers....! The latest update... |
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Post by Goobsausage on Oct 21, 2015 12:47:42 GMT -6
This all sounds like good news. Still not entirely clear about what's going to happen to the game itself.
Everything regarding the game sounds like a nice, solid "maybe" at this point. But it also looks like things can only get better from here.
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Post by qaantar on Oct 21, 2015 15:23:11 GMT -6
And I'll happily take a "maybe" over the echoing silence of nothing that we had before! (:
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Post by qaantar on Jan 11, 2016 16:41:50 GMT -6
I actually got my 'goodies' -- art book, game case (though not the super fancy version). Could have been worse, I suppose...
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Post by thrashinuva on Jan 11, 2016 17:42:11 GMT -6
In this case there's not very much chance of litigation against them.
Not only do they not have the money for it, but they actually DID deliver. They just didn't deliver something that was satisfying.
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