Update #79 - New Shards and Graphical Updates

Well, here are my thoughts on this. As for the Direct and things related to it being on topic, this is the beginning of the update this thread is about: 


In browren's case, perhaps it wasn't well received and he's stating that. That's fine. Users on the other side of this debate are being more combative than he is, from how I'm seeing this, and I don't think that's helpful or necessary. I don't recall browren ever being disrespectful to me or any of the mods (I think things started out shaky with him and Mike, but were fine after that), though some others have been rude to us, yes. Nezuto , I can't imagine browren is the same person you believe you've been arguing with over the last year, I don't recall you two having interactions before? He only just registered close to New Years in the wake of the Linux/Mac cancellation.


If we're going with this logic towards things, with ports being considered lowest common denominators for a game and thus dragging it down, then are/were you fine with or perhaps for the cancellation of the Wii U and PS Vita versions of the game, as those certainly perform well under even the Switch's mentioned low capabilities - and/or that the two of them definitely were going to require extra work and even a separate team to finish on time (Armature Studio)?

Whether you were or were not, it's a possible point (though I do not believe the main one or actually much involved at all) that the developers could have considered for the quality of the game and being able to finish it on time. This is something palatable to even fans of those consoles because they want the game to be good/better with a finish in a reasonable timeframe, and I believe in this case it does apply to Mac and Linux. They were not able to - resource, time, or technical roadblock wise - able to deliver those versions of the game, and the average backer/fan, again like with the Wii U/Vita cases - are allowing and defending that for the greater feasibility and timeliness of the product.

Knowing precisely what the middleware issue was would change nothing of the outcome, and if there were an effect at all, would more throw one involved party under the bus and likely even prevent further work with them. Curiosity would be sated, sure, but even in the most likely pedestrian case of whatever it was, would only give ammo to use against them and again hinder a meaningful move forward. 505 through Angel has expressed that they would have interest in bringing the game to the Mac and Linux platforms in the future to reach those markets because it makes sense, but for right now they can't make it work.

If it came at the cost of PC quality? Absolutely not - the entire purpose of using a game engine like UE4 is so each platform gets the best they can manage, with no negative effect on the others. You will note that the Wii U and Vita cancellations were not done for technical reasons, but because the vendors of those consoles had ended support. It is not the same situation as Mac and Linux, and I find it really questionable because the Switch has a kernel based on FreeBSD like the Mac, but the same graphics stack that runs on Linux-based Android devices, so it seems unlikely that something that runs on the Switch wouldn't work on either of the platforms it's most similar to.



That doesn't justify throwing backers under the bus.



I have not seen any indication of that at all anywhere - where was this said?

browren you should check out the Kickstarter comments section (yeah I know) from February 15. Angel had several great posts there in that time toward Linux backers and their questions. The one I'm referring to specifically is:


Part of my post was sourced/informed from other comments from him like this:

Re: throwing backers under the bus, I think a far worse negative for backers is a discontinuation or suffering of the project, which would be a possible result if that sensitive information was divulged. In another comment, he mentions that they were initially talking about putting together a video to show the technical issues, but that would have resulted in this problem and they'd face cancellation.

Nezuto you weren't offered a refund for Wii U? Everyone affected was offered that opportunity, unless you missed the (I believe 30 day) window?

purifyweirdshard I believe I had checked within the first 5 days the news broke, leaning on it being 5 days exact. I had seen that the Wii U version was cancelled for the obvious reason of the system being discontinued and checked my backer account via the Fangamer link in my email. When I checked, it had stated I had been upgraded to the Switch version due to the Wii U version cancellation. It could be that I simply didn't see the refund option/offer, but I accepted it, thought of it as a reason to get a Switch and moved on, after being a bit upset at first. I, honestly, just figured that hey, they at least thought ahead and just opted to give me the next best thing to make up for the cancellation.

I had brought it up, primarily to show that others may not be happy with things or even the company currently being blamed for a lot, 505 Games, but tossing serious accusations just from being angry isn't helping anyone and should be approached better. My delivery, however, never works the way I intend because I keep forgetting text doesn't read off the same for everyone. But, I digress once again.

Short answer, no, I didn't get a refund option. Yes I was a little upset, but then I got over it and became upset more with the things I've stated in prior posts. Current hype levels are about 40/100 for me, but I will see this through, I still trust in Iga, since this is his vision and not 505's, until anything shows I should feel otherwise.

Yeah, I think it was error on my part with that one, then. Also good to know I can switch (kerpun) it to another version, as I haven't been back on my Fangamer page in since.

Oh that bit is from the update I was quoting - platform change is over now. Sorry, probably confusing since the other stuff in parentheses was myself. Otherwise, glad that was cleared up, I had been curious what your problems were from last year and it sucks that we're only just now ironing out that some of that misunderstanding.

I'm certain Question isn't lying about this, if that's what you mean to insinuate, browren. "Nothing is free" is true, to your point, of course, but he is coming out to say that terms weren't quite what were in mind. Your post here isn't "you're a liar" directly per se, but it carries that tone.

I just remembered something else to mention - it has been confirmed and stated that the problem is not Denuvo either, as that will not be a part of any version of the game.

Yes, Denuvo was asked about on Steam (in a thread that got deleted...), and they said it wasn't a part of the game. It's unfortunate that 505 won't give us a straight answer and we have to sit here and play guess-the-bug.

As for my tone towards 505, they are playing word games and being disingenuous, just like with the whole "middleware" nonsense that started this mess. Nintendo paid the bill for the advertising. 505 got a nice big bump, and didn't have to pay anything this time. I'm sure 505 won't forget Nintendo's kindness.

What exclusivity? The second the Direct ended the Bloodstained trailer went up simultaneously on 4 (FOUR!) Youtube channels: the official Bloodstained channel, Nintendo's, Playstation's, and Xbox'. Sure it was shown first on the Direct but a few minutes later it was up on all 4 channels too. So Nintendo didn't ask for any exclusivity even then other than hold off the distribution of the trailer until after the Direct aired.

And just as a fun fact these are the views of the BS trailer on all 4 channels that went up right after the Direct finished:

Nintendo: 200k
Playstation: 115k
Official BS: 88k
Xbox: 15k