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Post by ovenkitty on Feb 26, 2019 11:08:47 GMT -6
I like to use "IGAvania" to distinguish Metroidvanias in the Castlevania franchise from the "classicvanias", I don't think it needs to mean much more, but maybe that's just me.
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Post by Galamoth on Feb 26, 2019 11:44:40 GMT -6
Personally, I like to consider Metroid Prime as well as Echoes & Corruption to be metroidvanias in their own right.
Sure, they're in a fully-3D world, and they're FPS's... but they're also exploration-focused platformers that require you to collect special power-ups in order to explore more of the world.
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Post by Mr. Welldone on Feb 26, 2019 12:02:31 GMT -6
NO 3D! UNLESS IT IS. THEN IT DEFINITELY ISN'T BY VIRTUE OF IT BEING IS.
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Post by Astaroth on Feb 27, 2019 7:57:36 GMT -6
mwahahaha, vagrant story, fite me!
nah the combat system being pseudo-atb with combos makes it more rpg than action-exploration
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Post by Nezuto on Feb 27, 2019 8:42:10 GMT -6
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Post by Mr. Welldone on Feb 27, 2019 8:53:24 GMT -6
mwahahaha, vagrant story, fite me!
nah the combat system being pseudo-atb with combos makes it more rpg than action-exploration
How patient were we with the need to constantly switch weapons and the load times required to do so? Man.
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Post by purifyweirdshard on Feb 27, 2019 9:41:58 GMT -6
RE2 remake is the best metroidvania I've played lately honsetly to be honest tbhhhhhhhhhhh
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Post by Mr. Welldone on Feb 27, 2019 9:55:41 GMT -6
RE2 remake is the best metroidvania I've played lately honsetly to be honest tbhhhhhhhhhhh BUT NO ABILITY-GATINGGGGGGGG
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Post by Saint Germain on Feb 27, 2019 12:54:21 GMT -6
Pokemon games are kind of metroid vanias with the whole HM and Gym badge gates.
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Post by Mr. Welldone on Feb 27, 2019 13:49:45 GMT -6
The joke I'm getting at is that the closer you look at it as a 'genre' the more vague it gets. Because genres are vague and the etymology of the word 'genre' merely means 'style' or 'kind'.
What is the feeling you get when you play the game? Metroidvanias are noted for platforming and needing increased capabilities to reach a previously unreachable place. This is termed as 'exploration', but then isn't Dark Souls also a game with 'exploration', where the player's own skills and/or abilities determine the ability to move to a new area (I'm looking at you, skeletons next to the bonfire at Firelink...).
Game creation is an art form. It uses hard concepts (mechanics, etc.) in the same way an artist uses paints and a brush. There simply is no hard definition for such a thing, as it's an experience to be enjoyed.
The whole idea of 'genre' is to help in describing the experience of the art, not solidly define the art.
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Post by Time 4 Tea on Mar 8, 2019 18:30:50 GMT -6
I'm very hesitant to buy a game which is "hyper-hyped". Paper's Please and Undertale fell into that category and I purchased both of them and thought they were alright but hardly worthy of the sheer volume of praise fans and journalists were heaping upon them. I have been cautiously looking at Hollow Knight but a good Metroid-Vania (in my mind) has distinct, clearly recognizable and above all unique areas and much of what I have seen in Hollow Knight looks too similar for my tastes. Navigating around the map must be incredibly confusing for new players.
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Post by Enkeria on Mar 8, 2019 18:45:52 GMT -6
I'm very hesitant to buy a game which is "hyper-hyped". Paper's Please and Undertale fell into that category and I purchased both of them and thought they were alright but hardly worthy of the sheer volume of praise fans and journalists were heaping upon them. I have been cautiously looking at Hollow Knight but a good Metroid-Vania (in my mind) has distinct, clearly recognizable and above all unique areas and much of what I have seen in Hollow Knight looks too similar for my tastes. Navigating around the map must be incredibly confusing for new players. Got Paper's Please when it was free (legal). I maybe deleted it, or its on a disc somewhere. Later that same year it got exposed and were sold. Very strange. Same with some other games I came across. Undertale was one of those games younger generations enjoyed so I figured I wouldn't so I never bothered. I agree on Hollow Knight. Everything looked the same, and I wasn't very interested in the NPC, Story or the enemies. Huge shame.
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Post by Mr. Welldone on Mar 8, 2019 19:45:21 GMT -6
I feel the same. At times uniformity is masked by difficulty to kind of 'stretch' diversity of enemies. I do admire IGA for his love of oversized non-bosses to allow for visual diversity of enemy types without granting frustration. Comparing Hollow Knight to Igavanias makes little sense to me. They're leagues apart.
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Post by kamuiarikado on Mar 9, 2019 3:51:20 GMT -6
Horounaito ホロウナイト is besto geimu eva! also is important that all the LewdVanias must to be available on Steam and GOG (Strictly for research and preservation purposes only!).
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