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Post by Yeshu on May 31, 2018 15:15:58 GMT -6
Fun fact about the fun activity of impaling.
Most people (outside of Europe) tend to believe that impaling was something unique to Vlad in his crusade to protect his homeland from the Ottomans. However, it was a pretty common practice in central/eastern Europe at the time. An execution, torture method and a moral booster for your troops as well as a scarecrow for your enemies.
The only thing that might make him stand out was the quantity or the fact it was the first time the Ottomans came across the form of execution so they started spreading stories about it.
Any historians here to correct me?
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Post by ghaleon on Jun 1, 2018 4:32:16 GMT -6
Was the first post deleted by a mod or something? I thought it would be interesting to talk about the real vlad. qq.
Anyway I'm not a history buff, nor am I Romanian. however I do know that your general every day Romanian think of him as something of great man. Apparently he had corrupt vassels that were really only kept in line by his dominating presence and/or charisma, and Romanians think he protected them from the Ottoman empire, whom after Vlad, succeeded in enslaving Romania. Then after they were finally free, they ended up getting a communist Tyrant, and they finally overthrew him, and now they are still stuck in bad sorts due to the European Union seemingly making it really hard for poor countries to prosper (like Greece for example).
Poor Romania can't catch a break. Vlad on the other hand, is probably their only historical great figure that actually benefited them. Though his reputation is terrible, as far as I know, he never actually invaded anyone or conquered anyone, so... Was he actually a bad guy? History is written by the winners, and Romania hasn't won anything for a very long time.
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Post by Yeshu on Jun 2, 2018 3:39:07 GMT -6
Vlad was defending his land. And back in the day you didn't care for "bad guy, good guy" methods. Results was whats important. A brutal, merciless image was what he needed to push the Ottomans back.
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Post by Nuralit on Jun 2, 2018 6:27:24 GMT -6
If Liu Bei can throw his own newborn child on the floor to make a point to a loyal soldier and still be revered to this day by the Chinese, I'm pretty sure Vlad did nothing wrong for the times.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2018 7:30:42 GMT -6
Vlad Tepes is a celebrated hero in Romania. Harsh ruler, but he had to be, unless his homeland and the entire Europe would be undone by Ottoman savages. Belonged to a European Knighthood Order, "The Order of the Dragon", found by emperor Sigismund; a European alliance and warfront, against the Turks.
He fought like a strategic mastermind, with guerrilla and terror tactics, overpowering vast armies against impossible odds. Instead of gratitude, or even aid however, his very own allies, the europeans, sold him off to the Turks, at the end of his short reign and used/influenced his own brother, Radu, to overthrow him, as well as corrupt and displeased local nobles (whom he used to "cull" regularly).
He was a just monarch, during the reign of which, all crimes were severely punished and people stayed off illegal activities, out of fear and respect (legend of the golden cup, etc). A real patriot, war hero, social reformist and ultimately, victim to the very same people he tried to protect. Honestly, europe today hasn't changed much; on the contrary, it brings in the enemies all by itself. And today we don't have war heroes, or patriots, only cowards, sell-outs and turn-coats, alas.
He inspired Bram Stocker for that book, countless movies, as well as part of the lore of the pen and paper game, Vampire the Masquerade (in the latter, he is a Tzimisce elder). Today in the occult scene, even "Order of the Dragon" exists, but it has nothing to do with the Knightly Order of old, disbanded eons ago. Maybe relative with "Ordo Draconis" or "novus Ordo Draconis" or "Ordo Draconis et etri Adamantis".
P.S. His corpse was never found. Mostly, this mishap is the beginning of the superstition and fairy tales... That and, always remember to consult an occultist, whenever "villains" are involved. Figures like Rasputin, Vlad Dracula, Gilles de Rais and others, didn't have a dark side only and history should remember them for many more things, other than those widely available to the modern public.
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