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Post by jboogieg on Apr 5, 2018 12:11:29 GMT -6
I really *really* want you to understand that nobody is trying to shame you here. I understand why you feel this way. And there *is* a bunch of exclusive stuff that backers are getting outside of the proposed digital stuff. You still don't even know how this is going to pan out or what, if any, thing will be added to make up for it. This is why we're here having a discussion about it.
Also for the Overwatch skin it's why I mentioned before that 95% of the time stuff doesn't stay exclusive. But I'll further quantify the 'always a way' thing I found before mainly sticks with offline stuff. Sometimes online but generally if it doesn't have lootboxes you pay for for skins.
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Post by roguedragon05 on Apr 5, 2018 15:06:15 GMT -6
Thing is, I am usually very kind and want everyone to have the best. But giving all you got to this project (all money you have / time / effort) seems like a big deal to me. And getting that extra back is appreciated. I do not even buy games every year, I do not back either. This was a project I wanted to back, and the exclusive things is amazing. It's just a shame, once in a life you believe its real, but then it might not be so. Due to a simple little word called "exclusive". But yeah. Last time I write about this subject. I know whats best for the community, and that is no exclusive things at all. Mass-production cost money, but it would be the best alternative. Give everyone everything. < I am not sarcastic or ironic, that as a market is the way to go. Just such a shame. I wanted to feel a bit more special. Dammit. Feel broken inside now. *waving white flag Well I for one (and I think most others) was just talking about the Iga boss and Whipsword no longer being exclusive, and honestly if you still feel your right don't ever let anyone tell you your wrong. I don't think there would be enough of a demand for keychains/artbooks and such to mass produce it anyways, least not yet. Hands you Bloodless's umbrella to wave instead. |
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Post by Enkeria on Apr 6, 2018 12:45:26 GMT -6
I said before, the physical stuff outside isn't exclusive for me, only the digital since it have a purpose for me, (its being used in the game). A book can be rented, or bought from eBay, same goes with everything else people might wanna sell / flip or whatever it is called at a later date. Digital has a chance to stay exclusive however, just lock it for the backers.
Argument for most are that the physical is exclusive, while it is, it isn't. Anyone can get it after the release.
Another argue is exclusive is just a word without meaning, since people want the stuff (digital) to be allowed for everyone.
Extended arguement would be exclusive is just a word without meaning or purpose, and all the stuff (digital and physical) should be allowed for everyone.
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Post by gunlord500 on Apr 6, 2018 12:54:29 GMT -6
I said before, the physical stuff outside isn't exclusive for me, only the digital since it have a purpose for me, (its being used in the game). A book can be rented, or bought from eBay, same goes with everything else people might wanna sell / flip or whatever it is called at a later date. Digital has a chance to stay exclusive however, just lock it for the backers. Argument for most are that the physical is exclusive, while it is, it isn't. Anyone can get it after the release. Another argue is exclusive is just a word without meaning, since people want the stuff (digital) to be allowed for everyone. Extended arguement would be exclusive is just a word without meaning or purpose, and all the stuff (digital and physical) should be allowed for everyone. I mean, Enkeria, the same applies to digital content. Anyone can get it after the release when it's been hacked or pirated or datamined or whatever. The only difference is that such methods are both illegal and free of charge while someone can sell physical goods legally and at a price. Again, to reiterate what our friends above have said, this isn't to say that you're wrong for feeling as you do, I'm just pointing out how people will behave, you know how assiduous hackers and such can be  |
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Post by purifyweirdshard on Apr 6, 2018 14:34:10 GMT -6
By "assiduous" he means persistent btw haha
But also insidious asses
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Post by jboogieg on Apr 6, 2018 18:01:41 GMT -6
Yeah, this is why I kept mentioning it: unless you plan on storing data server side and require an always on connection to see what digital content you're supposed to have as well as having DRM to prevent modding then you'll never be able to keep anything permanently locked to just backers.
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Post by Monomona on Apr 10, 2018 7:06:24 GMT -6
Perhaps instead of keeping it back exclusive, they shift down the rewards the $60 tier gets the $100 tier, the $100 tier gets the $150 tier, so on and so forth. I don't know how that would shift the budget of the game but I think if that were to be done many backers would be happy and then everyone gets the IGA boss and the sword whip.
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Post by roguedragon05 on Apr 10, 2018 7:16:38 GMT -6
Perhaps instead of keeping it back exclusive, they shift down the rewards the $60 tier gets the $100 tier, the $100 tier gets the $150 tier, so on and so forth. I don't know how that would shift the budget of the game but I think if that were to be done many backers would be happy and then everyone gets the IGA boss and the sword whip. That would be nice, but everyone would be upset that they paid X amount when now they did'nt need to pay, so for example those that paid $150 would realize that they could have just payed $100 to get what they wanted, also that would mean that suddenly some physical things would need thousands of extra copies, and who'd gonna pay for it? |
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Post by Monomona on Apr 10, 2018 7:36:56 GMT -6
I hope everyone will get the same game, backer or non backer. For exclusive content, it doesn't have to be "in game" content, they can give the backers exclusive hi res wallpaper etc. The problem with that(at least on pc) is that I can just look it up, Nintendo has been giving out pc and phone wallpapers with their reward system but you can find them anywhere on the internet. |
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Post by Enkeria on Apr 10, 2018 11:57:46 GMT -6
Monomona What would the $500 tier people get? The ones not available? And yeah, wallpapers, PDF manuals, PDF comics, mp3 music etc. isn't exclusive at all.
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Post by Monomona on Apr 10, 2018 12:10:43 GMT -6
Enkeria I suppose they would have to make something new perhaps a new t-shirt or maybe having an area in the game with their portrait in it.
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Post by Enkeria on Apr 10, 2018 15:09:40 GMT -6
Monomona I would revert back to a $60 if that were the case.
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Post by DSLevantine on Apr 11, 2018 5:55:09 GMT -6
I hope everyone will get the same game, backer or non backer. For exclusive content, it doesn't have to be "in game" content, they can give the backers exclusive hi res wallpaper etc. The problem with that(at least on pc) is that I can just look it up, Nintendo has been giving out pc and phone wallpapers with their reward system but you can find them anywhere on the internet. The problem is no matter what they give, we can easily find it on the internet. For the exclusive item, physical item is better than digital because no one can reproduce it. I find that bloodstained theme can make good tarot cards. |
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Post by Jowy Avilon on Apr 15, 2018 19:33:31 GMT -6
I just backed at the $125 tier, a massive slacker backer and came in to say this. In regards to the backer content, the only thing I wish is there was more transparency on if it'll be available to the general public. Cause if it is, then I will feel mislead. I backed at $125 specifically to get the physical rewards and the physical Switch edition AND to get the Steam version to have access to the stated backer rewards specifically for both versions instead of missing out on them for one copy or the other. Now, if the backer rewards become available period to all people, then i could have saved myself $25 bucks, backed at the $100 tier for the physical stuff and physical Switch copy, and just bought the Steam version at a later point in time.
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Post by purifyweirdshard on Apr 15, 2018 20:33:26 GMT -6
Jowy Avilon well in your example, if it proves true that they release the backer content to everyone (we don't know yet), you would have still saved yourself quite a bit of money on that. It's very unlikely that the retail version of Bloodstained will be $25-28, and as you know you'd be getting a lot of physical things that retail won't. This is just regarding the weapon/boss. Sure, Steam Bloodstained + this content might be $25 somewhere way down the line on a Steam sale or something, but I'm thinking that it as a package (if they release it to everyone and charge for it) would be 50-60 or so. Again assuming this even becomes a thing.
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Post by Jowy Avilon on Apr 15, 2018 20:39:43 GMT -6
Jowy Avilon well in your example, if it proves true that they release the backer content to everyone (we don't know yet), you would have still saved yourself quite a bit of money on that. It's very unlikely that the retail version of Bloodstained will be $25-28, and as you know you'd be getting a lot of physical things that retail won't. This is just regarding the weapon/boss. Sure, Steam Bloodstained + this content might be $25 somewhere way down the line on a Steam sale or something, but I'm thinking that it as a package (if they release it to everyone and charge for it) would be 50-60 or so. Again assuming this even becomes a thing. Aye, I will concede to your point there. For what I discussing above was more thinking about the right here and right now more than the future for my example. I trust and really hope the developers will do the right thing and figure out a plan that will make as many as they can happy in regards to the backer content, so I don't really have much to say on that front. I'm not naive enough to think they'll make EVERYONE happy, cause no one ever can. |
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Post by Cale on Apr 15, 2018 20:44:39 GMT -6
Angel-Corlux had an interesting Idea "Another avenue I'm investigating is potentially releasing the backer exclusive content to everyone (via deluxe edition or not) but backers get special skins/cosmetics for those items." Seems like a fair trade to me. But it also just occurred to me... "...special skins/cosmetics for those items." My understanding was there would be one item. "The mighty swordwhip A super-powerful hidden boss A Backer Edition slipcase (for physical tiers)" But of course this could mean a different look to the boss and Swordwhip. I like to read into things. 
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Post by purifyweirdshard on Apr 15, 2018 21:04:27 GMT -6
I don't think he meant in-game "items" so much as items as in "things" in general. But yeah, I talked about that avenue some earlier myself here, I think it's a decent way to go about this. ...I believe another option Angel brought up for this in discord was this: The content is released to everyone, but only as a re-skinned more generic version so that the exclusive remains exclusive. So, purely content wise, everything ends up being there for all buyers, but the IGA boss is now actually instead a boss with a similar shape without the same design and voice lines, and the backer sword-whip becomes a more normal-looking standard weapon option. If backers so choose, they can access the generic forms of these things if they want. I'm paraphrasing and adding some thoughts to this, but I think you get the idea. edit: The best thing I can think of right now to equate this to from an old game - Instead of "Mike Tyson's Punch Out1!!" featuring Mike Tyson, late buyers get Mr. Dream haha. But if you want to fight Mr. Dream for some reason as a backer, you can |
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Post by Jowy Avilon on Apr 20, 2018 0:54:54 GMT -6
I said this in the discord server but I'll say it again here for other wandering eyes. Disregarding my post earlier in this thread about this in regards to money issues over this. I feel the content, one way or another at some point SHOULD be obtainable by all, I don't agree with completely locking people of game content. However, we were promised exclusive backer content as a promise for backing, and I feel that should be honored. So the idea I discussed (like others have also mentioned in this thread that I agreed with) is having all content in the game, just giving backers a cooler skinned variant of said items or something to the effect.
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