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Post by stoltverd on Feb 12, 2018 17:36:07 GMT -6
I was thinking about backing this game. or well... "Preordering" at this stage of development haha I'm interested in the digital goodies.
My priority are in-game goodies. Yeah, the OST would be awesome, the PDF too, but... I'm sure I can buy the OST at a later date, and I also see no point in a digital artbook (personal opinion). Buying the OST at a later date would make the investment blow a little lighter. I say that because I'm from Colombia, and 60 USD is 1/3 of the minimum monthly salary here. That's a lot of money. So considering that I'm actually only interested in the in-game goodies. Are those worth 60USD? Will them be available at a later date in I don't know... a deluxe edition? I'm thinking about the boss and the swordwhip. I want those... But 32 USD is a little too much for them.
is there any way to get those? be it now or later.
Have an awesome day!
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Post by rogue_dragon on Feb 13, 2018 10:17:15 GMT -6
No one knows if the special backers content will be released for purchase by the general audience at a later date in some manner, and unfortunately were not likely to know until it actually happens if it ever does, though the content IS advertised as backer exclusive but that could always change in the future. Basically it's a crapshoot, maybe they will maybe they won't if you want to guarantee getting it then get it now. I know that doesnt really help but no one is going to tell you more till it's likely too late to do anything about it. I personally HOPE it will be made available to the general public but many don't, other Kickstarter projects have made that extra content available for others at some point down the line before, but there's no way to know if they will for this project.
As for whether or not the content is worth 32 extra dollars, that's hard to answer as well, assuming you get a physical copy you'd get a slipcase that says your an extra special backer person to go with it, if you just get the digital version you won't get the slip case, the only two digital things you get are the Koji Igarashi Superboss and the Swordwhip weapon. Neither of which anyone can really tell you anything more about til the games released and of course by then it will be too late to "back" it. I like to think it would be worth it, but 32 bucks isn't any big deal to me.
Sorry could'nt help more.
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Post by Angel-Corlux on Feb 13, 2018 14:14:03 GMT -6
I was thinking about backing this game. or well... "Preordering" at this stage of development haha I'm interested in the digital goodies. My priority are in-game goodies. Yeah, the OST would be awesome, the PDF too, but... I'm sure I can buy the OST at a later date, and I also see no point in a digital artbook (personal opinion). Buying the OST at a later date would make the investment blow a little lighter. I say that because I'm from Colombia, and 60 USD is 1/3 of the minimum monthly salary here. That's a lot of money. So considering that I'm actually only interested in the in-game goodies. Are those worth 60USD? Will them be available at a later date in I don't know... a deluxe edition? I'm thinking about the boss and the swordwhip. I want those... But 32 USD is a little too much for them. is there any way to get those? be it now or later. Have an awesome day! Hey there Stoltverd and regardless of whether or not you preorder/back, thanks for being a fan! (especially with the regional/monetary differences you have to deal with being from Colombia)
To answer your question, there has been some discussion regarding the backer-exclusive content, and while I haven't made a decision yet, you can safely assume that whatever I end up doing won't betray the trust and gratitude of the fans who backed at that level.
So say for example I made the backer-exclusive content available in a "deluxe" edition, you can pretty much expect that deluxe edition to still cost 60$, but not have the other goodies.
Another avenue I'm investigating is potentially releasing the backer exclusive content to everyone (via deluxe edition or not) but backers get special skins/cosmetics for those items.
In short as I mentioned above, if you'd like to back the game, and the backer exclusive content is important to you, then I would go ahead and get the $60 tier without worrying about spending money needlessly.
Hope that helps, let me know if you still have questions.
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Post by K on Mar 2, 2018 2:16:30 GMT -6
Angel-Corlux Sorry for invading, but I'm from Brazil and I also want to buy the preorder, like stolverd, but I feel in doubt because of the value, because I know that when the game reaches steam the value will be adjusted regionally so it will not get so heavy , anyway. What I want to know is about the standart edition and the differences between them and steam. Ps: Is the visual of the white miriam included only for the $ 60 package?
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Post by sleyer on Mar 2, 2018 6:29:06 GMT -6
Angel-Corlux Honestly I kinda hope you keep the backer exclusive boss and item backer exclusive, it was billed that you would get something special for helping Iga get funding and to then give the same items to people who didn't help make sure the game is made feels kinda wrong to me.
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Post by Angel-Corlux on Mar 5, 2018 14:57:46 GMT -6
Angel-Corlux Sorry for invading, but I'm from Brazil and I also want to buy the preorder, like stolverd, but I feel in doubt because of the value, because I know that when the game reaches steam the value will be adjusted regionally so it will not get so heavy , anyway. What I want to know is about the standart edition and the differences between them and steam. Ps: Is the visual of the white miriam included only for the $ 60 package? Hi there K, the Standard Kickstarter edition of the game and what will become the standard edition on Steam are going to be identical, except for the fact that the one on Steam will undoubtedly cost more.
White Miriam or "Pure Miriam" is going to be available to every backer / player, as it's part of the game, hope that helps.
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Rest assured that whatever I decide, I will make sure that we keep in mind the nature of the 60$ contribution / preorder. What may end up happening in the end for example is that we wouldn't just make it available to everyone for free, and instead have the content as part of a deluxe edition. In this example, backers would still be getting the soundtrack and retro strategy booklet on top of that.
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Post by redprince on Mar 7, 2018 8:23:24 GMT -6
Will others be able to fight the super boss and get the chain whip later on maybe dlc? I would kinda be disappointed if you guys didn't! Makes one feel left out, Plus i'm going to probably buy the game anyway because it looks promising.
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Post by m0nkf15h on Mar 7, 2018 9:20:46 GMT -6
I'm really hoping this isn't the case redprince . I would hope that the backer exclusive content remains something for the Special Editions of the game only, I'd consider it our reward for having enough faith in the project to invest in it when IGA needed us to. I stress this is only my personal opinion but at the end of the day it's only one boss and one weapon so it's hardly like you're missing out hugely if you dont get access to it. Something else that makes me suspect that this content will (and should IMO) only get a limited release is that the extra boss is based on IGA himself, and self insertion is something he was very reluctant to do as he's so modest, but he bowed to fan pressure. So I dont believe he'd want that content to be widely available. Maybe i'm wrong and maybe the backer exclusive content will be available to all in time but if it is i'll feel more than a little betrayed, and i don't think i'll be alone in feeling that way. Buisness is Buisness these days though and the word exclusive seems to mean very little so chances are you'll be quids-in anyway.
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Post by redprince on Mar 7, 2018 10:10:07 GMT -6
Are most of the bosses going to be titanic like? If so I'll probably won't care anyway if they look amazing, Hopefully the last boss gebel will turn into a huge demon or something that alone would be worth it if it's tough to beat. But then again being able to see dracula again or someone like him would still be a let down so who knows at this point.
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Post by purifyweirdshard on Mar 7, 2018 11:34:18 GMT -6
All we can tell right now is that there will be a mix of different boss types. It is a bit easier (and interesting/better looking) to do larger scale enemies like Vepar in 3D, so there maaay be more than usual, but who knows. As for the backer content, Angel and 505 are still mulling over their options and how to exactly handle this, but he recently posted a thought regarding it (see after the tag to sleyer): bloodstainedfanforums.com/post/52918
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Post by exile on Mar 8, 2018 1:11:44 GMT -6
I never understood this thinking. Companies offer an incentive to back or preorder a game. If you don't, you don't get the perks. That's the point of an incentive. The only time I feel there's a legitimate gripe is if the perks give those players some ridiculous advantage. I suspect the whip will just be one cool weapon among dozens, and the boss fight seems a novelty. Neither feels essential.
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Post by gunlord500 on Mar 8, 2018 4:47:16 GMT -6
I never understood this thinking. Companies offer an incentive to back or preorder a game. If you don't, you don't get the perks. That's the point of an incentive. The only time I feel there's a legitimate gripe is if the perks give those players some ridiculous advantage. I suspect the whip will just be one cool weapon among dozens, and the boss fight seems a novelty. Neither feels essential. Yeah. Though as I often say, I've seen pushback on that sort of thing in other fandoms, most notably for Phoenix Point. Phoenix Point is another crowdfunded game I backed that has some similarities to Bloodstained--it marks the return of a beloved creator to the genre he popularized, which in this case would be Julian Gollop to the XCOM Strategic Planetary Defense genre. One of the incentives to back the campaign was a special set of "Chitin" armor and weapons, but many Phoenix Point backers complained because they thought any kind of locked digital content resembled bad business practices like constant overpriced DLC. A lot of folks back these kinds of games because they hate the traditional publishers, so they tend to frown on any practice which even vaguely reminds them of what the publishers do. In the case of Phoenix Point, they eventually relented and settled on a compromise. They would release the Chitin set to everyone, but it would cost a bit of money as DLC for people who buy Phoenix Point off Steam or whatever, and it would be free to all of us early bird backers. That irritated some people who thought the "unique value" of their early bird purchase was being diluted, but most seemed to accept it. Perhaps Bloodstained could opt for a similar approach, though I doubt it'll be necessary, since as you say the whip is just one more cool weapon and the IGA fight is more or less a novelty
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Post by allooutrick on Mar 8, 2018 9:55:40 GMT -6
I don't see it as a possibility. From the beginning the impression I've been getting is that this is content exclusive to backers. However, the devs have been very good at keeping a tight seal on information and lack of acknowledgement on the subject could very well mean that it's still being decided.
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Post by m0nkf15h on Mar 8, 2018 13:38:06 GMT -6
"What may end up happening in the end for example is that we wouldn't just make it available to everyone for free, and instead have the content as part of a deluxe edition. In this example, backers would still be getting the soundtrack and retro strategy booklet on top of that."
Please no, not this... It would be a real kick in the teeth for some of us. Do the words backer exclusive not actually mean backer exclusive, sound track and booklet might be kind of cool for some people but i was under the impression that i was gonna get a version of the game with unique content not available to people who didn't back the game. DLC's are fine but not everything should be DLCs especially if it's content thats been billed as only for backers.
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Post by XombieMike on Mar 8, 2018 14:00:56 GMT -6
m0nkf15h I don't disagree with you. Let's brainstorm on why that was even said. I know physical backer copies are going out for every platform. Wouldn't a physical backer edition and a physical non backer edition double the costs of having physical copies? Maybe they didn't think of that issue from the start. I don't know. What if the exclusive content was like "on disk DLC" that had to be unlocked? What options do you think are available to minimize costs while still making everyone happy? We are just brainstorming here, you and I. I don't know how it was or is planned or will be handled.
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Post by Enkeria on Mar 8, 2018 14:07:27 GMT -6
Personally, I feel that you pay for extra content, you are out early, you get the limited versions out there, they have limited things. You are late? Then you miss some or all of those things.
Reality, extra content will probably be a variety of things we get. Now, this isn't confirmed but a good business plan would be as follows: 1. Backers get all the special reward they have been promised. 2. Game is released, all those things that were promised backers, are now available too for the public (the special reward). However, backers have gotten additional minor things to make sure their special rewards get extra care, so lets say that special Swordwhip weapon now have a few other skins, exclusive for the backers. IGA Hidden boss now have an alternate costume. Miriam now have a special costume.
Everyone gets the A, B, C of special items, but only backers get the addition of changing the cosmetics around it. Its something "everyone" can be without and not change the fact that you get the most important things.
Alternatively, everyone gets all the special items, included late buyers who doesn't wanna back the game today (which you can totally do), but give the backers the option to get future DLC or extra content for free.
Perhaps a combination.
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Post by m0nkf15h on Mar 8, 2018 14:18:35 GMT -6
Mike, the technical side of it isn't really my concern. If it's a problem then it's the Dev Team's problem to contend with, and i dont mind how they deal with it as long as it doesnt result in me being lied to about what's exclusive to backers and what isn't. The production of the 2 kinds of physical copy (Standard and Special Edition) should have been (and probably have been) costed before any kickstarter promises were even made so offering the different versions should be no hardship for them to keep their promises, it's kind of the price you pay if you want public investment. EDIT: If the issue is to do with production costs as XombieMike is theorising then all that need be done is release a Patch thats a separate executable (so it can be applied to future installs of the game without being on a server somewhere) to backers only with the unique content on.
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Post by purifyweirdshard on Mar 8, 2018 14:20:36 GMT -6
I may be remembering wrong, but I believe another option Angel brought up for this in discord was this:
The content is released to everyone, but only as a re-skinned more generic version so that the exclusive remains exclusive. So, purely content wise, everything ends up being there for all buyers, but the IGA boss is now actually instead a boss with a similar shape without the same design and voice lines, and the backer sword-whip becomes a more normal-looking standard weapon option. If backers so choose, they can access the generic forms of these things if they want.
I'm paraphrasing and adding some thoughts to this, but I think you get the idea.
edit: The best thing I can think of right now to equate this to from an old game -
Instead of "Mike Tyson's Punch Out1!!" featuring Mike Tyson, late buyers get Mr. Dream haha. But if you want to fight Mr. Dream for some reason as a backer, you can
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Post by purifyweirdshard on Mar 8, 2018 14:52:12 GMT -6
Also tagging Angel-Corlux so he knows we're talking about him/things he said to be clear, for myself, I'd rather it remain a "true" exclusive but the method I outlined above would be cool with me and technically mean more stuff. Deluxe edition path, eh, I could live with it. Everybody getting everything for the same price? No thanks
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Post by K on Mar 8, 2018 16:30:51 GMT -6
Also expected exclusive content for multiplayer online, have any posts that show the features of online mode?
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