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Post by Pure Miriam on Nov 1, 2017 2:58:07 GMT -6
fly me to the moon and let me play among the stars...Bloodstained's new update (see it HERE) presented us with a new area, called "Garden of Silence". It looks like a broken outskirts of the castle, with plataforms, trees and water, alongside a huge wall and towers at the background. A new area means a lot of speculations, promises and hopes about it and that means a new thread of mine with new questions begging to be answered. So, here goes: 1) Miriam is at LV 8 at Garden of Silence's video. Do you believe that is just for testing purposes, or this area will be one of the first areas of the game? Considering Bloodstained areas, we already know: Galleon Minerva, Church of Dian Cecht, The Village (no official name yet) and now, Garden of Silence. Do you believe all these areas will show up in a particular order? 2) What type of Shard (Trigger, Effective, Directional, Enchant, Familiar or Skill) do you believe Barbatos will give and how it would be? Or maybe Barbatos is like Morte and doesn't give any Shard? 3) What type of Shard (Trigger, Effective, Directional, Enchant, Familiar or Skill) do you believe Toad will give and how it would be ? Or maybe Toad is like Morte and doesn't give any Shard? 4) Do you think Zangetsu will be fought more than once? 5) Human enemies from Dawn of Sorrow had no soul to give as power. Do you believe Zangetsu could give Miriam a Shard if killed? That would mean he can be a demon. Or maybe he can turn into one later on. If yes, what type of Shard and kind of Shard do you think he could give? 6) How big do you think Garden of Silence is? Compare it with some area of Symphony of the Night or some other Igavania game for a size comparison. 7) Gears of Fortune is not Garden of Silence's song, as kickstarter's page already warned us "The place you'll hear this song in Bloodstained hasn't yet been announced", but "The Executioners" (Bloodless Battle's song from E3 2017 Demo) is also the music used for Zangetsu's battle at this update. Do you believe that this will really be Zangetsu's Boss song? Or is just a placeholder? 8) What kind of area or areas, do you think, or would you like to see connected to Garden of Silence? The Castle's entrance? Maybe a flooded cavern? Some kind of inner forest? 9) Comment anything else you would like to say about Garden of Silence, if you want. That's all folks!
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Post by Galamoth on Nov 1, 2017 9:23:04 GMT -6
More questions from Pure Miriam to answer. Huzzah!!1) Miriam is at LV 8 at Garden of Silence's video. Do you believe that is just for testing purposes, or this area will be one of the first areas of the game? Considering Bloodstained areas, we already know: Galleon Minerva, Church of Dian Cecht, The Village (no official name yet) and now, Garden of Silence. Do you believe all these areas will show up in a particular order? It is entirely possible that this is legitimately one of the first explorable areas [beyond the Entrance Hall] in Gebel's Castle. I certainly wouldn't think, at this point in the game's development (despite it still being in the Alpha phase), that they'd create this entire Garden of Silence area purely to test things and then remove it from the final game. Unless "Garden of Silence" is code for "Debug Room", maybe.If this game is anything like past Igavanias, you would need to sequence-break if you were to really visit all areas in any order you wanted. Yes, I think you'll be forced to visit some parts of Gebel's Castle in a particular order. MAYBE you'll get to briefly visit a small section of another area, but until you obtain the necessary ability, you won't be able to advance very far. I imagine that visiting any area you want right from the start would be reserved for Speed Run Mode and/or the other two playable characters (assuming they're "Bonus" characters; having access to all abilities right from the start).2) What type of Shard (Trigger, Effective, Directional, Enchant, Familiar or Skill) do you believe Barbatos will give and how it would be? Or maybe Barbatos is like Morte and doesn't give any Shard? I imagine his Shard may be one of the first Effective Shards we'll get to try (unless some Trigger Shards will allow you to hold the button down before casting). As an enemy, Barbatos reminds me of the classic Skull Archer; whose Soul in Dawn of Sorrow was a Guardian Soul (allowing Soma to magically "charge" a mighty arrow before firing). ^ There's no way that Barbatos won't have a Shard to give upon defeat, if you ask me. This enemy is named after one of the 72 "Dukes" of the Ars Goetia, after all.3) What type of Shard (Trigger, Effective, Directional, Enchant, Familiar or Skill) do you believe Toad will give and how it would be ? Or maybe Toad is like Morte and doesn't give any Shard? I... don't think Toads will give Shards. It'd be funny if they did, though. .... I knew it! Toads really were demons all along.4) Do you think Zangetsu will be fought more than once? I'd think that depends on whether Miriam is given a chance to talk with him for more than a few seconds before [or after] this initial fight. Maybe he'll pull a Julius & reluctantly decide to trust Miriam shortly afterwards, or maybe vengeance will cloud his mind for the whole story.5) Human enemies from Dawn of Sorrow had no soul to give as power. Do you believe Zangetsu could give Miriam a Shard if killed? That would mean he can be a demon. Or maybe he can turn into one later on. If yes, what type of Shard and kind of Shard do you think he could give? Nope. The magic of Ofuda paper-charms is not demonic in origin, for one thing. He also hates Alchemy for its connection to demons, so I wouldn't count on it.6) How big do you think Garden of Silence is? Compare it with some area of Symphony of the Night or some other Igavania game for a size comparison. Despite the likelihood of it being an area that Miriam visits early on, it vaguely reminds me of Olrox's Quarters from Symphony of the Night. It also looks like there's plenty of room for a "high-jump" or "flight" ability to cover the rest of the map%, so I'd say the Garden of Silence is relatively large.7) Gears of Fortune is not Garden of Silence's song, as kickstarter's page already warned us "The place you'll hear this song in Bloodstained hasn't yet been announced", but "The Executioners" (Bloodless Battle's song from E3 2017 Demo) is also the music used for Zangetsu's battle at this update. Do you believe that this will really be Zangetsu's Boss song? Or is just a placeholder? I'm willing to bet that Zangetsu's boss-music will decidedly involve more Japanese instruments.8) What kind of area or areas, do you think, or would you like to see connected to Garden of Silence? The Castle's entrance? Maybe a flooded cavern? Some kind of inner forest? If this area really is early-game, as you predict, then I could definitely see it directly connected to the Entrance. Maybe I'd like to see a Machine Tower area connected to it as well.9) Comment anything else you would like to say about Garden of Silence, if you want. This certainly must be the very same area with the gigantic yellow moon in the background that we saw in a past image. It will surely be shown off in a specific section.Looks like I'm done for now. Galamoth, away!!!
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Post by Yän on Nov 1, 2017 12:13:50 GMT -6
1) Miriam is at LV 8 at Garden of Silence's video. Do you believe that is just for testing purposes, or this area will be one of the first areas of the game? Considering Bloodstained areas, we already know: Galleon Minerva, Church of Dian Cecht, The Village (no official name yet) and now, Garden of Silence. Do you believe all these areas will show up in a particular order?I think it's just for testing as it seems like a fight against Zangetsu is too early at level 8. Miriam shouldn't be able to beat Zangetsu at such an early stage.2) What type of Shard (Trigger, Effective, Directional, Enchant, Familiar or Skill) do you believe Barbatos will give and how it would be? Or maybe Barbatos is like Morte and doesn't give any Shard?I hope he gives you a shard. Trigger would be easy to imagine but I prefer the directional option: shoot an arrow in any direction. Would especially be interesting if there was gravity on the arrow.3) What type of Shard (Trigger, Effective, Directional, Enchant, Familiar or Skill) do you believe Toad will give and how it would be ? Or maybe Toad is like Morte and doesn't give any Shard?The toad seems more like it won't have a shard. Seems like such a minor enemy to me that it'll probably fall in the Morte category. Might as well be a pretty lame familiar though, who knows? 4) Do you think Zangetsu will be fought more than once? Like Trevor in Curse of Darkness, huh? Would be cool! He already seems pretty developed with badass attacks and all that at this stage but if the devs can get even more out of him, that's awesome!5) Human enemies from Dawn of Sorrow had no soul to give as power. Do you believe Zangetsu could give Miriam a Shard if killed? That would mean he can be a demon. Or maybe he can turn into one later on. If yes, what type of Shard and kind of Shard do you think he could give?I somehow believe that you won't actually kill Zangetsu (like Julius or Trevor). He seems like one of the good guys, so that would surprise me. If you DO kill him, he still shouldn't give you a shard unless they want to pull some crazy Shyamalan plot twist ("HE WAS A DEMON AFTER ALL! EVEN THOUGH HE HATED EVERYTHING THAT WAS DEMONIC!!") Maybe you could get a weapon from him instead - eventually he could give you the katana that is supposed to be the strongest weapon in the game...6) How big do you think Garden of Silence is? Compare it with some area of Symphony of the Night or some other Igavania game for a size comparison.I think it might be pretty big as it is supposedly an important area for the game (according to the update). I think it could be as big as the gardens in DoS and AoS combined... Might be entirely off though.7) Gears of Fortune is not Garden of Silence's song, as kickstarter's page already warned us "The place you'll hear this song in Bloodstained hasn't yet been announced", but "The Executioners" (Bloodless Battle's song from E3 2017 Demo) is also the music used for Zangetsu's battle at this update. Do you believe that this will really be Zangetsu's Boss song? Or is just a placeholder?I think it's also a placeholder. Doesn't really suit his character. I'd expect something with a bit of a Japanese touch for his boss theme.8) What kind of area or areas, do you think, or would you like to see connected to Garden of Silence? The Castle's entrance? Maybe a flooded cavern? Some kind of inner forest?I imagine that it could work pretty well as a central area so it may be connected to many different places. Kind of like the garden in DoS... I might be biased though as its look reminds me of the outer wall in CotM which was ironically in the center. 9) Comment anything else you would like to say about Garden of Silence, if you want.Looks good, I like the moon and the statues, vegetation looks nice but could have some more colour to it. Water looks too noisy, making it hard to see what's going on on the screen.Thanks to Pure Miriam for continuously putting out great threads to make us think about aspects of the game!
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Post by neff on Nov 2, 2017 12:35:37 GMT -6
1) Miriam is at LV 8 at Garden of Silence's video. Do you believe that is just for testing purposes, or this area will be one of the first areas of the game? Considering Bloodstained areas, we already know: Galleon Minerva, Church of Dian Cecht, The Village (no official name yet) and now, Garden of Silence. Do you believe all these areas will show up in a particular order?
I think this is one of the first areas of the game, at least before you are in thr castle proper. Galleon,Village,Church, Entrance, Garden, Castle.
2) What type of Shard (Trigger, Effective, Directional, Enchant, Familiar or Skill) do you believe Barbatos will give and how it would be? Or maybe Barbatos is like Morte and doesn't give any Shard?
Enchant.
3) What type of Shard (Trigger, Effective, Directional, Enchant, Familiar or Skill) do you believe Toad will give and how it would be ? Or maybe Toad is like Morte and doesn't give any Shard?
no shard
4) Do you think Zangetsu will be fought more than once?
At least once more.
5) Human enemies from Dawn of Sorrow had no soul to give as power. Do you believe Zangetsu could give Miriam a Shard if killed? That would mean he can be a demon. Or maybe he can turn into one later on. If yes, what type of Shard and kind of Shard do you think he could give?
no shard, even if killed.
6) How big do you think Garden of Silence is? Compare it with some area of Symphony of the Night or some other Igavania game for a size comparison.
Its open enough that I don't think it is set in the castle proper, but rather is just before its true entrance.
7) Gears of Fortune is not Garden of Silence's song, as kickstarter's page already warned us "The place you'll hear this song in Bloodstained hasn't yet been announced", but "The Executioners" (Bloodless Battle's song from E3 2017 Demo) is also the music used for Zangetsu's battle at this update. Do you believe that this will really be Zangetsu's Boss song? Or is just a placeholder?
Placeholder, but perhaps it could be both, the generic one for his first encounter and his own theme for the tougher, 2nd fight.
The player won't see it coming.
8) What kind of area or areas, do you think, or would you like to see connected to Garden of Silence? The Castle's entrance? Maybe a flooded cavern? Some kind of inner forest?
This looks like an area before the castle entrance, though if it were the courtyard, i'd say it be like the marble gallery, not the largest area, but damn if you don't run into it over and over again...
9) Comment anything else you would like to say about Garden of Silence, if you want.
I think this is where the dev teams decision with the backgrounds and their slight variations will reach a "make it or break it" point and determine whether people call it a masterpiece or a fan game with lots of money(no offense whatsoever, please don't take this the wrong way). I can see that some parts mesh better than others in the garden. Done wrong, it can end up looking like a puzzle piece set that doesn't look right(my first thought of this was at the platforming section that miriam skips on her way to barbatos). If the seams of those background blocks can be cleared up and the color looked at(like other viewers), I think it can go a long way.
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Post by purifyweirdshard on Nov 5, 2017 16:48:53 GMT -6
I'm not as sure The Executioners is a placeholder for Zangetsu, because he himself definitely is an "executioner". It may be a song used for a certain group of bosses that are consciously searching out the castle to find and kill her.
Just a theory, but it's plausible ;p and yeah, there could be more traditional Japanese instrumentation in a Zangetsu theme per se, but that could be a separate song too. He may likely need a song to play as a theme that should not sound boss-y (i.e. after he decides Miriam isn't so bad, I mean look at the beast hat Zang my man?)
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Post by Saint Germain on Nov 6, 2017 0:11:54 GMT -6
Pure Miriam fly me to the moon and let me play among the stars...Bloodstained's new update (see it HERE) presented us with a new area, called "Garden of Silence". It looks like a broken outskirts of the castle, with plataforms, trees and water, alongside a huge wall and towers at the background. A new area means a lot of speculations, promises and hopes about it and that means a new thread of mine with new questions begging to be answered. So, here goes:
1) Miriam is at LV 8 at Garden of Silence's video. Do you believe that is just for testing purposes, or this area will be one of the first areas of the game? Considering Bloodstained areas, we already know: Galleon Minerva, Church of Dian Cecht, The Village (no official name yet) and now, Garden of Silence. Do you believe all these areas will show up in a particular order? 2) What type of Shard (Trigger, Effective, Directional, Enchant, Familiar or Skill) do you believe Barbatos will give and how it would be? Or maybe Barbatos is like Morte and doesn't give any Shard? 3) What type of Shard (Trigger, Effective, Directional, Enchant, Familiar or Skill) do you believe Toad will give and how it would be ? Or maybe Toad is like Morte and doesn't give any Shard? 4) Do you think Zangetsu will be fought more than once? 5) Human enemies from Dawn of Sorrow had no soul to give as power. Do you believe Zangetsu could give Miriam a Shard if killed? That would mean he can be a demon. Or maybe he can turn into one later on. If yes, what type of Shard and kind of Shard do you think he could give? 6) How big do you think Garden of Silence is? Compare it with some area of Symphony of the Night or some other Igavania game for a size comparison. 7) Gears of Fortune is not Garden of Silence's song, as kickstarter's page already warned us "The place you'll hear this song in Bloodstained hasn't yet been announced", but "The Executioners" (Bloodless Battle's song from E3 2017 Demo) is also the music used for Zangetsu's battle at this update. Do you believe that this will really be Zangetsu's Boss song? Or is just a placeholder? 8) What kind of area or areas, do you think, or would you like to see connected to Garden of Silence? The Castle's entrance? Maybe a flooded cavern? Some kind of inner forest? 9) Comment anything else you would like to say about Garden of Silence, if you want. That's all folks! 1. I think at this point it is too early to tell in what order they will go so maybe level 8 for testing purposes. 2. My best guess is maybe a (magic missile/arrow) 3. Maybe something silly like portrait of ruin allowing you to go into small spaces for ex. at the 1:23 mark. 4. Maybe like Trevor in curse of darkness or Joseph in dawn of sorrow. 5. I really don’t believe you can kill him; my best guess is he will award you some of his power as a gift later. 6) To hazard a guess maybe the size of a portrait world in portrait of ruin. 7. My best guess is it is a place holder I believe his theme will have a more eastern feel. 8. I think the garden will be connected to the castle maybe it is a courtyard. 9. I am looking forward to enjoy the garden of silence and all its surprises.
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Post by Enkeria on Nov 6, 2017 11:30:29 GMT -6
1) Miriam is at LV 8 at Garden of Silence's video. Do you believe that is just for testing purposes, or this area will be one of the first areas of the game?
Gardens to a castle should be very close to the entrance, either if its outside or inside. I believe you would be level 15-20 around here, thats if you rushed through the village and Galleon Minerva. But probably nothing set in stone yet.
2) Do you believe Barbatos will give and how it would be?
The guy can aim! I believe we should do that too with a magical bow and arrow.
3) Is Toad like Morte and doesn't give any Shard?
Seems too similar to Morte, and thus no shard, so yes.
4) Do you think Zangetsu will be fought more than once?
Trick question... As Miriam, no. One. As someone else, maybe? In total, you will at least fight against him with two characters. But I understand you mean in the story as Miriam. I think he will sense that you are worthy to carry on where he couldn't, but keep tabs on you. You might even save him at a point, or get his aid in a combat.
5) Do you believe Zangetsu could give Miriam a Shard if killed?
No, just story. Zangetsu himself (if playable) won't get shards. I think his sword and powers are changed from new sub-weapons instead. Ice attack almost indicate this when we only knew about him having electricity from Mana's art.
6) How big do you think Garden of Silence is?
No clue. They could have a garden around the whole castle if they want. But since we do not play in 3D, the area would be pretty small at first, but continued elsewhere in a different name, with a beautiful piano at the center of it.
7) Gears of Fortune is not Garden of Silence's song but "The Executioners" (Bloodless Battle's song from E3 2017 Demo) is also the music used for Zangetsu's battle at this update. Do you believe that this will really be Zangetsu's Boss song? Or is just a placeholder?
Placeholders. Zangetsu needs the japanese feel across all acts, even during fight. This title could also replace a great deal of battles if he is playable during bosses and smaller areas. If they feel like swapping out music so it feels a bit more fresh towards whom you play as.
8) What kind of area or areas, do you think, or would you like to see connected to Garden of Silence?
Entrance, and hallways into bigger areas.
9) Comment anything else you would like to say about Garden of Silence, if you want.
Alpha Footage, still, it is looking cool.
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