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Post by Galamoth on Mar 31, 2017 14:24:42 GMT -6
Inspired by Pure Miriam's thread, also in response to the recent Kickstarter Update #51. The poll is entirely optional. You needn't vote until more information on this character is provided. Alfred (アルフレッド) Age: 57
"Alfred is one of the alchemists responsible for the demon-summoning uproar ten years ago. He was Johannes' mentor, and a father figure to both Johannes and Miriam, but he's lost his former self as he heads to the castle seeking the Book of Logaeth in Gebel's possession. Quiet and intelligent, Alfred's alchemic ability was unmatched even among his fellow alchemists."ROLE IN STORYWhether or not Alfred is playable, his role in the main story is apparently connected to a certain book in Gebel's possession (which may or may not contain Enochian language). We already know from his description that he's one of the alchemists responsible for the initial demon-summoning, and that he was both a mentor and father-figure to Johannes and [more of the latter to] Miriam. He has lost his former self for unknown reasons, possibly related to summoning demons in the first place, but does his search for this "Book of Logaeth" have any connection to the Curse that both Miriam and Gebel are afflicted with? - So how powerful is he, exactly? All we know is that, as an alchemist, he was unmatched even by his peers who also participated in the demon-summoning. He's either the leader of the alchemists, or he was simply exceptionally talented. Could it be possible that he knows how to help rid Miriam and Gebel of their curse? - How will he interact with the other characters? If Alfred has "lost his former self", then I'd personally say it's clear what his banter with Gebel would be like (covetous greed for an item in Gebel's possession, perhaps). He just might remember something of his time spent with Johannes and Miriam, and could genuinely offer to help them... or he might manipulate them. It's entirely possible that his encounters with Dominique and Zangetsu may be met with relative hostility, judging by their occupations. - Exactly why does he want the "Book of Logaeth"? Maybe he's become power-hungry? Maybe the book contains the way to stop demons from entering our world? ...Does he even remember why? If he's playable, part of his involvement in the story could be recovering his memories, possibly with the help of Miriam and Johannes. Maybe Alfred being an enemy, or not remembering his reasons, would be part of a Bad Ending which results from his death? (Assuming he isn't the true final boss) - Is there any significance to that rose motif on his robe? I've noticed that Alfred has a similar rose-petal design, on the front of his robe (I don't know what that "tie" is called), to the magi-crystal curse that appears on the skin of Miriam and Gebel. Perhaps it's possible that he is either directly responsible for their curse, or it's a [not so] subtle hint that he's also suffering from the same curse (Though we can't tell at the moment, because most of his skin is hidden under his robe). Point is; Whether he's an antagonist or a playable character (or possibly both), it seems evident that he's hiding something. (I'm going to avoid the term "Barlowe-expy", even though being part-expy is what I personally love about Bloodstained's characters, because there are a few glaring differences about this character. ...I can't help but hear Lament to the Master in my head when speculating about Alfred, though.) GAMEPLAYI've noticed that Alfred carries a Tome with him. As an accomplished alchemist, I'd say he'd at least keep a record of various alchemical recipes and their effects, notes of research, how to summon certain demons, etc. I would personally hope that Tome he carries serves more than a scholastic purpose. I'd hope he also uses it as a weapon, to cast Spells and fight in a similar manner to both Charlotte Aulin and Barlowe of the Castlevania series (obviously not a total copy/paste and mix of the way they fight). In-fact, I had already devised a list of "Tome" weapon ideas quite a while ago. If it's the case that Miriam will not have access to them, I'd say Alfred should use these as his primary weapon of choice instead. Some of the specific names & descriptions for different Elemental Tomes I came up with could be changed to reflect Alfred's scholarly interest in Alchemy and Demons. I know I'd prefer, if he's made playable, that he not be reduced to a "bonus/extra" character. In an Alfred playthrough of Bloodstained, he would ideally have access to equipment menus for weapons/armor, whatever stands in for "Relics", and possibly Shards as well (similarly to Miriam). If he can't use Shards, then the latter-most option for equipment should at least include Alfred's likely ability to summon Demons.
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Post by Galamoth on Mar 31, 2017 14:36:55 GMT -6
I made it so people could select up to two answers just in-case people who DO want him to be playable would also rather he not be a "bonus/extra" character.
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Post by Lestaroth on Mar 31, 2017 15:53:16 GMT -6
Hello Galamoth and thank you for the topic! (words in bold for easier reading, nothing is insisted on)
I guess that Dominique sure made a lot of heads turn, but there is a lot of potential possibly drawn from Alfred's backstory and motives.
To clear part of the question already, I would say I wouldn't want him as a bonus character. Why is it so? It's simple, actually.
Bonus chars should not happen, plot for every other playable character in Bloodstained should exist (and please no incomplete one!). Maybe back then in CSOTN, Maria and Richter were a tribute to RoB and the classic CV (and I admit that some parts were rushed/in unfinished state). The playable characters besides the titular ones in the subsequent igavanias didn't have anyprobably because of handheld cartridge limitations... I just hope it will never happen again. At worst, give him a "(before Miriam went on her quest) I need to defeat Gebel if needs be") if he ever gets playable.
His fighting style should be very interesting as well as his intentions, that I feel are most shady... He was one of the Alchemists who summoned the demons in the first place, after all. Forced alliance? Brainwashing? Coercion? Plain cooperation?
I'd want Bloodstained to be the most away from CV though, please no Barlowe Junior or Death 2.0 if he is a Dark Eminence/Evil Plotter.
People already likened him to Dracula. It's highly plausible, as he is the strongest and could seek more power by going towards Gebel.
I admit I'd want a pure demon of Hell as a final boss instead of Alfred, but it could also be true one demon would be posing as him or possess him... or then he in fact IS a demon. If he becomes a final antagonist, I'd want him to perish forever. I am not keen on having Dracula 2.0.
In sum, Alfred not a bonus character (plot needed!) and not a playable character either... maybe then as a boss (if not the final one)!
That's all for now!
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Post by Galamoth on Mar 31, 2017 16:07:37 GMT -6
Lestaroth I thank you for your honest opinion. Uh-oh, that's right. Since some people have likened Alfred to "Dracula", I can see why people would think he might be after the Book in Gebel's possession in a similar manner to Mathias (Lament of Innocence) seeking to wrest control of the Crimson Stone from Walter Bernhard...
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Post by Lestaroth on Mar 31, 2017 16:16:41 GMT -6
Thanks!
Well, indeed that search for the mystical book was not for the greater good as in him gone to claim it to destroy it, but rather fueled by an insatiable hunger for more power.
This appearence of a humble man wearing clothes in tatters, fighting for the future is a lie! Mark my words. ^^
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Post by neff on Mar 31, 2017 16:51:33 GMT -6
Alfred is...interesting. He does have the look of a villain. It may be possible that je serves Death's role, in that while Miriam is trying to stop Gebel, Alfred is going to assist him for the sake of furthering research to even greater heights.(Alfred...like the butler...)
That said, I do not see him as recurring like Death, barring a transformation using the crystal curse. Until then, I think that will belong to the fruits of his work.
Do I want him to transform and lose his humanity? I'm not sure. He's in the right spot and mindset should sequel ideas be discussed. Maybe in addition to his knowledge and villainy he also had the method of stopping the curse, contained in the book. Retrieving said secret before dispatching Alfred might be a way to branch the endings.
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Post by Enkeria on Mar 31, 2017 17:04:04 GMT -6
Small though, how about make us love the old man in this one, and give him foundation and story to evolve into the actual threat if the Bloodstained saga will continue, just leaving it open. So for that, having him as an NPC, where he study all what is happening, and will harvest that power or hidden powers later on. It could be fun if they have him in one of those endings we might get after finish bad, okey or good
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Post by Galamoth on Mar 31, 2017 17:06:51 GMT -6
neff Ooh, transforming? I guess that's a possibility if he's cursed like Miriam and Gebel are. lol, I like the butler comparison.
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Post by neff on Mar 31, 2017 17:25:40 GMT -6
Small though, how about make us love the old man in this one, and give him foundation and story to evolve into the actual threat if the Bloodstained saga will continue, just leaving it open. So for that, having him as an NPC, where he study all what is happening, and will harvest that power or hidden powers later on. It could be fun if they have him in one of those endings we might get after finish bad, okey or good I like this actually, it will certainly give the series a way to find its own paces after the castle tumbles. it will also be a way for the alchemy powers made to make the castle, and associated villains, to survive.
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Post by Lestaroth on Mar 31, 2017 18:35:49 GMT -6
Absolute worst case scenario:
Alfred manages to get the book and gets rid of Gebel (or uses him as a puppet). Gebel can't save Miriam because of this. Miriam's curse expands and she is fully doomed, no one can stop her until she can't go on anymore (on a rampage?).
*cues the dark Miriam official picture*
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Post by Dragon_of_Dojima on Mar 31, 2017 18:45:59 GMT -6
Usually the "quiet, intelligent" types are really snarky. He may just have enough charm to make me want to play as him in some form.
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Post by niquita on Mar 31, 2017 19:14:17 GMT -6
Alfred as player character ? Y/N does not like to see it as a boss figth and if possible very difficult what we know him guilty of cause 10 years ago an accident and loses its identity finds it in this castle in a fight would be exciting
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Post by XombieMike on Mar 31, 2017 20:47:00 GMT -6
I bet he will be playable in boss revenge mode.
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Post by Galamoth on Mar 31, 2017 23:09:53 GMT -6
I've just now noticed several grammatical errors in my original post. Now that's just embarassing.
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Post by Galamoth on Mar 31, 2017 23:24:45 GMT -6
Usually the "quiet, intelligent" types are really snarky. He may just have enough charm to make me want to play as him in some form. I hadn't thought of that. And now I'm oddly reminded of Raven from the 2003 Teen Titans animated series.
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Post by Pure Miriam on Apr 1, 2017 2:31:04 GMT -6
Great thread Galamoth here are my answers! - So how powerful is he, exactly?We can speculate that he is all-might powerful. He is considered unmatched by his fellow alchemists and we need to remember that he survived Gebel's purge. Gebel became a beacon to attract demons and literally massacred a whole guild full of alchemists, people that, for sure, can use offensive and deffensive magic. Yet, he survived. And he is wandering around the world for 10 years, probably slaying demons along the way. I can bet he is probably the most powerful "human-like" character in the game, maybe only lower than Gebel because Gebel let the curse take his body to gain more power. - How will he interact with the other characters?I can see Alfred taking a manipulative role. He will probably talk with all characters, but he wants nothing more than what Gebel possess. He has his own agenda, it is hard to tell right now what that could be. - Exactly why does he want the "Book of Logaeth"?It seems that Bloodstained universe has two very important itens. The Book of Logaeth and the Enochian Table. Both were used to create the curse to call demons on earth by turning people into beacons to attract them. I don't remember if it was confirmed, but IT APPEARS THAT Johannes used a magic, using Enochian language, to block the curse on Miriam's body from growing (the letters around the flowers on Miriam's chest, leg and such) and he offered that to Gebel, that refused (so, Johannes probably has the Enochian Tablet). I could guess that those items are powerful relics, with varied effects. The book probably has secrets he wants to know. Or maybe, HE wants to became a beacon to demons HIMSELF, since he saw that doing this grants power (like Gebel's magical prowess and control over demons and Miriam's ability to absorb Shards) and he wants those powers for him too. - Is there any significance to that rose motif on his robe? As far as we kno, the magi-curse works like this: you became a beacon to attract demons and your skin crystalizes. With time, big chunks of crystalized skin became flower-shaped and that grow even more and more. As i said above, Johannes used Enochian language magic to stop Miriam's curse from consuming her completely, blocking the roses to grow further. Considering the ritual happened 10 years ago, and Johannes most probably used the Enochian tablet to block Miriam's curse, we can guess that Alfred doesn't have that, so, he can't block the curse on himself, IF he is cursed. He would be in the same level as Gebel, and i don't think he is (Gebel already has half his face crystalized), so, i think he is not cursed. The rose motif on his robe is probably just a design choice. - GameplayGameplay-wise, i don't think Alfred will be a playable character. I see him as a very important NPC for that. BUT, if he turned out to be, i agree that there is no other way then tome-beating and magic-summoning.
Wanna discuss Anne's role on all this? Here's her thread! ( CLICK HERE)
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Post by spideryfingers on Apr 1, 2017 4:12:24 GMT -6
I voted for No.
Alfred looks like a watered-down, grizzled version of Dracula with an ulterior motive but with dementia setting in. A wild card. He does appear like an enemy waiting to happen should his personal demons get the better of him and gives the impression he has one big, last hurrah left in his locker.
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Post by Galamoth on Apr 1, 2017 9:44:09 GMT -6
It looks like even this thread of mine isn't immune to the Ritual of the Goofball. The image of Alfred I linked is now broken!
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Post by CastleDan on May 4, 2017 9:12:29 GMT -6
I said no because my pipe dream is....he's actually the main villain, and he becomes the true Dracula figure. ( takes on a vampiric form )... So, can't imagine playing as the villian, now can I?
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Post by neff on May 4, 2017 11:42:14 GMT -6
I know people are wating this guy to be the "Dracula" figure in the game, complete with second form and what have you, but do you think there could be other ways for the curse to go than the angel/demon look? it does seem to resemble a plant...
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