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Post by CastleDan on Feb 9, 2017 10:45:40 GMT -6
Here's what Alucard looked like originally for it.
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Post by XombieMike on Feb 9, 2017 10:47:51 GMT -6
We aren't opposed to violence at all. There is just a difference between making erotic violence because it's marketable while amping it up for the sake of being erotic and violent vs those aspects just being part of the art. You can go overboard if you're trying to. It's like a lewd joke. It's not only the lewdness of the joke that makes it funny. Otherwise I could say something extremely lewd and it would also be funny. There is a balance. If I were to make a comedy show and advertise it as the lewdist comedy show of all time, people would go because they wanted the lewdist of the lude jokes. So when a pachinko game is marketed with the words erotic violence where Castlevania has never flat out just said it in the past, you can tell that these attributes are now being focused on and amped up instead of simply being part of the art naturally. That's the concern for the Adi Shankar quotes on how super violent he's talking about. Yes, we want zombies cut in half and spewing blood, or to see some succubus ta tas, but that's not all we have expectations for. In fact, those are minor attributes to me as compared to the music, the art style, the characters and the setting.
I wouldn't avoid a Castlevania game because someone told me it was erotic and violent. I would avoid any game that depends on being erotic and violent.
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Post by purifyweirdshard on Feb 9, 2017 10:49:58 GMT -6
Brainiac, regarding Juste, was that ever stated or just kind of figured/assumed somehow? I can't remember, partly why I went with the "more or less" part.
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Post by XombieMike on Feb 9, 2017 11:33:16 GMT -6
As much as I fear Shankar might misuse violence, I'm also given confidence by watching his short film Punisher: Dirty Laundry. The whole conversation about when to use violence is wrapped up in that short film quite well.
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Post by purifyweirdshard on Feb 9, 2017 12:03:23 GMT -6
Haha, I haven't seen that, but that itself is part of the theme of that character. Kind of amusing.
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Post by Lestaroth on Feb 9, 2017 12:32:42 GMT -6
Thanks purifyweirdshard , this is even clearer to me now. No kiddie stuff, at all. The development is not the same. That's very relieving for news. And since he's airing it on Netflix, kids aren't going to be subject to that. It's better that way. Yes, but Konami trying to make a series relevant after messing so much with it was what I was trying to say. There was not too much to learn from CV 3 since it is a NES game. Even booklets in such games spread false information. Were it in a later era, I am sure there would be a more developed story and character interactions. As for Judgment, I do beleive we should not take anything from it to use as lore material. It's a crazy what-if, with some Castlevania characters gone absurd. In fact, the coolest story there may be the Golem's. In regards to the violent content, relevant to what you and XombieMike said, once a proper rating and warning have been plastered*, I feel it it can go ahead without much worries. Castlevania I feel gave balanced levels of violence and erotica... I had not heard any stories of outraged people camping against the series or an entry. We all began the Castlevania series for its uniqueness, primarily the setting, playability, colorful cast of characters and monsters, tense moments and so on. It is always fun to ask a longtime player why he/she loved some game series or individual games. I am certain there are more qualified games if you want sheer violence or side-nudity (statues, lightly-clothed enemy female creatures and so on). I mean, they don't even play a role in the game. It is all right. What is blood? A miserable little pile of hemoglobin and cells! But enough talk~ have at you? In sum, the art seems promising, but I will sit and wait for it to develop. I have learned to not get hyped upon things (except when it came to certain projects like the one we are all involved in right now). *And the occasional light censorship like in Super Castlevania IV.
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Post by Brainiac on Feb 9, 2017 12:41:13 GMT -6
Brainiac , regarding Juste, was that ever stated or just kind of figured/assumed somehow? I can't remember, partly why I went with the "more or less" part. It's in Juste's bio found in the instruction manual (though with the Fernandez spelling instead). I think there's also a reference somewhere in the Sky Walkway area...not to mention the Cipher's Charm/Sypha's Crystal. As much as I fear Shankar might misuse violence, I'm also given confidence by watching his short film Punisher: Dirty Laundry. The whole conversation about when to use violence is wrapped up in that short film quite well. Yep, both Dirty Laundry and Dredd both show off an appropriate amount of violence in my opinion. The latter is deliberately gratuitous which matches with the work being adapted.
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Post by crocodile on Feb 9, 2017 14:36:01 GMT -6
Well it's cool to hear this isn't outright dead but I'll wait till I see official art, animation and a plot synopsis before I get hype. I think that's just the smart way to approach something like this.
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Post by Pure Miriam on Feb 9, 2017 14:56:22 GMT -6
BalancedHydra none taken, although i saw that info on other sites too. About the idea as a whole, i think Castlevania III: Dracula's curse is a easy path to choose. My main reason is the number of characters and possibilites of interactions between them. a TV / Netflix series requires a good cast of characters. ALL Igavanias are basically few people, with a single hero killing monsters from the beginning to the end. That really doesn't fit well in a default traditional series. How you would adapt Symphony of the Night? It is basically Alucard, Maria and Richter interacting with each other for few scenes, with Shaft and Dracula two times, at most. You can't do that on TV. It simply doesn't work well. So, Dracula's curse is a good option, because you have several characters that are following the same mission to interact among themselves. And you have a lot of potential lores from several works to play around with, such as: 1) The Belmont family was feared due to their powers, even by the church itself. Trevor, in particular, was a man feared for his prowess. 2) Carmilla secretly exposed Sypha's witch clan or something like that in the past, gotting a lot of witches to the fire of inquisition. 3) Grant was jeaulous of Trevor's relationship with Sypha. He was also known as the fastest man in Vallachia and was a "good robber" that stealed from rich to help the poor. His name will be remembered for several generations thanks to his heroic feats. 4) Alucard is a character everyone loves and you can have him there on Dracula's curse. You can use his familiars and powers for more interaction. Part of what i said above, is based on info from other games (such as Judgement), from official manuals and other official sources. That is a ton of plot you can play around with. If they plan on doing the whole Dracula's curse in only 4 episodes, you have tons of material to work with. If they plan on doing it for two seasons, even better. You simply doesn't have all that in most other games. You would need to create and put fillers inside it to make it better for TV. And we need to remember it is an adaptation. They will probably change things.
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Post by XombieMike on Feb 9, 2017 15:36:36 GMT -6
In regards to the violent content, relevant to what you and XombieMike said, once a proper rating and warning have been plastered*, I feel it it can go ahead without much worries. Castlevania I feel gave balanced levels of violence and erotica... I had not heard any stories of outraged people camping against the series or an entry.
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Post by Lestaroth on Feb 9, 2017 17:02:33 GMT -6
In regards to the violent content, relevant to what you and XombieMike said, once a proper rating and warning have been plastered*, I feel it it can go ahead without much worries. Castlevania I feel gave balanced levels of violence and erotica... I had not heard any stories of outraged people camping against the series or an entry. Ah, yes, I should have meant the original series, not the umm... totally odd pachislot spin-offs something, something. I'll check the vid when I have more free time. Thanks. Yes, I did hear about the pachislots, but only about that Angela character. I guess I missed the fanservice bits regarding that. Watched the video. You win. I don't know why he was so hyper but that was epic. And that Bloodstained reference. Twice.
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Post by CastleDan on Feb 9, 2017 20:08:57 GMT -6
There's definitely info out there about the original plot of this 'show'. It was an outline summary of it all, and went into different details. I gotta say I'm just happy this is finally happening. This was something worked on around 2006.. ALL this time and it's finally actually coming. It seems he probably broke this 'movie' idea into multiple episodes instead. Should be very interesting, and I agree that Castlevania 3 is a good way to do this what with the multiple characters. It'll be nice to see Alucard.
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Post by Galamoth on Feb 9, 2017 20:20:11 GMT -6
Now all we need are flight goggles for Trevor, a fake beard for Sypha ("disguise"), as well as a skateboard and sunglasses for Alucard. Captain N anachronism!!!
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Post by Brainiac on Feb 9, 2017 20:29:15 GMT -6
Now all we need are flight goggles for Trevor, a fake beard for Sypha ("disguise"), as well as a skateboard and sunglasses for Alucard. Captain N anachronism!!!I repeat. NO.
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Post by Lestaroth on Feb 9, 2017 21:54:32 GMT -6
Now all we need are flight goggles for Trevor, a fake beard for Sypha ("disguise"), as well as a skateboard and sunglasses for Alucard. Captain N anachronism!!!I died a little inside.* That said, sunglasses for Alucard... he already got them in CSOTN (Alchemy Lab). Are they Ray Bans? *Just joking, I didn't live where Captain N: The Game Master was aired. So glad for it. We did get the Super Mario Bros. Super Show! though, and I freaking loved it. "Well, excuuuuuuuse me, Princess~"
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Post by Goobsausage on Feb 9, 2017 22:17:09 GMT -6
Now all we need are flight goggles for Trevor, a fake beard for Sypha ("disguise"), as well as a skateboard and sunglasses for Alucard. Captain N anachronism!!!I repeat. NO. I want this to happen just to spite Brainiac.
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Post by Brainiac on Feb 10, 2017 7:36:58 GMT -6
Now all we need are flight goggles for Trevor, a fake beard for Sypha ("disguise"), as well as a skateboard and sunglasses for Alucard. Captain N anachronism!!!I repeat. NO. I want this to happen just to spite Brainiac. What did I ever do to you to warrant such vileness?!
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Post by BalancedHydra on Feb 10, 2017 7:57:11 GMT -6
I want this to happen just to spite Brainiac. What did I ever do to you to warrant such vileness?! Such is the nature of vileness. Justification not required. Edit: Here is a topic that we can chew on. Music. If this animation is about CV3 then I wonder who will handle the musical score. Personally I would love to have the original composers update their tracks. Hidenori Maezawa Jun Funahashi Yukie Morimoto Yoshinori Sasaki And no, I do not Yamane directly involved (maybe some tips and tricks). The woman is already hard at work with all the projects she has in her hands that I don't want to over-tax the good woman.
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Post by ReySol on Feb 10, 2017 10:34:23 GMT -6
XombieMike , have you got any responses from the creators of the CV series for the Bloodstained community broadcast? It is a wonderful idea, I hope it will happen.
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