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Post by qaantar on Dec 17, 2016 8:11:23 GMT -6
OK, so I realize this board isn't a PC tech board, but I figure some of you might know the answer to this question or know where to look...
I built my PC back in 2011-2012 timeframe, and it's finally getting to the point where I can't max out the newest games. The RAM and CPU are pretty much maxed out for the motherboard, but the video card could usually use an upgrade. I think it's an GeForce 400 or 500 series...
It seems like video cards are pretty much backword compatible, so I should be able to get a 900 or 1000 series... my question is if there's a way to tell whether the motherboard will be limiting any of that upgrade? (i.e., why bother with a 1000 series, if the motherboard really won't be able to take advantage of it).
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Post by XombieMike on Dec 17, 2016 8:15:29 GMT -6
I think as long as the motherboard has the right slot, you're fine. AGP vs PCI-E. Just know which is which and the length of the new card. The size is usually listed. So make sure there is room for it.
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Post by Elfina Ashfield on Dec 17, 2016 9:40:00 GMT -6
I'm not sure about that.
Since you mentioned your gear is built around 2012 and have a GeForce 400/500 series, the slot on your motherboard is most likely a PCI-E 2.0 slot. Meanwhile 900 / 10 series are using PCI-E 3.0 slots. Yes PCI-E standard is backward compatible but PCI-E 3.0 has twice as much throughput as 2.0, and the latter is simply not enough for these new cards. The last card that NVIDIA uses PCI-E 2.0 slot is a very low-end GT710.
It might cost some fortune but I'd say built a new PC instead upgrading the old one, it's not worth it, and most of the time the only thing you could salvage from the old PC is HDD.
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Post by qaantar on Dec 17, 2016 20:47:08 GMT -6
Thanks to you both... it's that sort of limitation (2.0 vs 3.0) that I was worried might exist... so thanks for the clarification on it! And you're correct, my motherboard is 2.0 for PCI slots (it's an ASUS P67, www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/P67%20Extreme4/?cat=Specifications). So as much as I was hoping to get by for another year or two by just upgrading the card, I guess it's time to do the whole upgrade thing....
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Post by Arcueid Brunestud on Dec 18, 2016 17:21:25 GMT -6
Would this be a worthy purchase for a new computer?
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Post by Ciel on Dec 19, 2016 11:15:35 GMT -6
Would this be a worthy purchase for a new computer? Seems overpriced, you could do better buying and building it yourself. Did some research in the Newegg's website, and this is what I was able to come with: Core i5 6600 = US$ 220. A waaaay better CPU. You could change it for a 6500 if you want to save more, still would be better than the 6402P. Gigabyte GA-H170M-D3H Motherboard = US$90. Probably a better motherboard. Probably because there is no specifications about the one that comes with that pre-built PC, other than the B150 chipset, which doesn't tell us much. Sapphire Nitro+ RX 480 = US$250. Custom version of the same RX480, but with more memory. Protip: NEVER buy a VGA that comes with reference cooler, like the one in the pre-built. They ALWAYS are inferior about everything, including performance. Corsair 16GB DDR4 RAM kit = US$93. I think this is a little overpriced, maybe you could find one less expensive, but whatever. While for now 8gb is enough, you never know right? WD Black 1TB hard drive = US$69. The black Western Digital drives comes with 5 years warranty, and are highly regarded. Corsair CX500W 80+ Bronze = US$47. Good budget PSU, enough for the specs and with the 80+ bronze seal. You have to be cautious here, there is no specifications about the PSU in the pre-built PC you linked. A bad PSU could ruin everything in there. Cooler master HAF 912 = US$60. This is overpriced. The case is more of a personal preference than anything, so just choose something you like (given that you don't pick a mini-stove lol). Total: US$ 810. Indeed, more than the pre-built PC but way better, and you could change something, like the case or buying 8GB of RAM instead. If you don't care about buying everything at the same place, see PC Part Picker for better prices.
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Post by Arcueid Brunestud on Dec 19, 2016 13:52:58 GMT -6
Would this be a worthy purchase for a new computer? Seems overpriced, you could do better buying and building it yourself. Did some research in the Newegg's website, and this is what I was able to come with: Core i5 6600 = US$ 220. A waaaay better CPU. You could change it for a 6500 if you want to save more, still would be better than the 6402P. Gigabyte GA-H170M-D3H Motherboard = US$90. Probably a better motherboard. Probably because there is no specifications about the one that comes with that pre-built PC, other than the B150 chipset, which doesn't tell us much. Sapphire Nitro+ RX 480 = US$250. Custom version of the same RX480, but with more memory. Protip: NEVER buy a VGA that comes with reference cooler, like the one in the pre-built. They ALWAYS are inferior about everything, including performance. Corsair 16GB DDR4 RAM kit = US$93. I think this is a little overpriced, maybe you could find one less expensive, but whatever. While for now 8gb is enough, you never know right? WD Black 1TB hard drive = US$69. The black Western Digital drives comes with 5 years warranty, and are highly regarded. Corsair CX500W 80+ Bronze = US$47. Good budget PSU, enough for the specs and with the 80+ bronze seal. You have to be cautious here, there is no specifications about the PSU in the pre-built PC you linked. A bad PSU could ruin everything in there. Cooler master HAF 912 = US$60. This is overpriced. The case is more of a personal preference than anything, so just choose something you like (given that you don't pick a mini-stove lol). Total: US$ 810. Indeed, more than the pre-built PC but way better, and you could change something, like the case or buying 8GB of RAM instead. If you don't care about buying everything at the same place, see PC Part Picker for better prices. Interesting, though the price bumps up when you factor in the price of Windows 10, keyboard, mouse, and it doesn't come with warranty for the whole shebang if something goes wrong. A more powerful processor isn't really necessary at the moment for the average person unless you're into video editing, insane multi-tasking and stuff like that. The thing about the pre-built PC I posted is that it is completely upgradable, and that building a PC with the same exact parts would actually cost you more than if you just buy it from amazon. I agree about the PSU, that's pretty risky, and I've read reviews of that being an issue. Might have to replace it. Aside from that, the pre-build is able to play most AAA games at 1080p 60fps with high/max details which is really all I'm looking for. For $810, you could buy that pre-built PC, along with an extra 8GB of ram and a 240GB SSD for faster boot performance.
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Post by Ciel on Dec 19, 2016 14:18:59 GMT -6
Seems overpriced, you could do better buying and building it yourself. Did some research in the Newegg's website, and this is what I was able to come with: Core i5 6600 = US$ 220. A waaaay better CPU. You could change it for a 6500 if you want to save more, still would be better than the 6402P. Gigabyte GA-H170M-D3H Motherboard = US$90. Probably a better motherboard. Probably because there is no specifications about the one that comes with that pre-built PC, other than the B150 chipset, which doesn't tell us much. Sapphire Nitro+ RX 480 = US$250. Custom version of the same RX480, but with more memory. Protip: NEVER buy a VGA that comes with reference cooler, like the one in the pre-built. They ALWAYS are inferior about everything, including performance. Corsair 16GB DDR4 RAM kit = US$93. I think this is a little overpriced, maybe you could find one less expensive, but whatever. While for now 8gb is enough, you never know right? WD Black 1TB hard drive = US$69. The black Western Digital drives comes with 5 years warranty, and are highly regarded. Corsair CX500W 80+ Bronze = US$47. Good budget PSU, enough for the specs and with the 80+ bronze seal. You have to be cautious here, there is no specifications about the PSU in the pre-built PC you linked. A bad PSU could ruin everything in there. Cooler master HAF 912 = US$60. This is overpriced. The case is more of a personal preference than anything, so just choose something you like (given that you don't pick a mini-stove lol). Total: US$ 810. Indeed, more than the pre-built PC but way better, and you could change something, like the case or buying 8GB of RAM instead. If you don't care about buying everything at the same place, see PC Part Picker for better prices. Interesting, though the price bumps up when you factor in the price of Windows 10, keyboard, mouse, and it doesn't come with warranty for the whole shebang if something goes wrong. A more powerful processor isn't really necessary at the moment for the average person unless you're into video editing, insane multi-tasking and stuff like that. The thing about the pre-built PC I posted is that it is completely upgradable, and that building a PC with the same exact parts would actually cost you more than if you just buy it from amazon. I agree about the PSU, that's pretty risky, and I've read reviews of that being an issue. Might have to replace it. Aside from that, the pre-build is able to play most AAA games at 1080p 60fps with high/max details which is really all I'm looking for. For $810, you could buy that pre-built PC, along with an extra 8GB of ram and a 240GB SSD for faster boot performance. Yeah well, about the CPU, I said that to myself when I bought one AMD FX6300 in 2013 for my then new PC. The result, as expected, disappointment. CPU intensive games like GTA V (and open-world games in general), MMOs and some bad ports (I'm looking at you, Final Fantasy 13) do benefit from a better processor. Anyway, the only thing inherently bad about the pre-built (aside from the PSU), is that RX 480 with reference cooler. You really should stay away from that. Really, sell it or something and buy a non-reference model from Sapphire or MSI. Other than that, it is sufficient for your needs. And by the way, Elfina Ashfield said something about the PCI Express 2.0 bottlenecking the graphics card. That's not an issue though, as TPU just tested in this review.
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Post by Arcueid Brunestud on Dec 19, 2016 17:06:37 GMT -6
AMD CPUs are really bad compared to Intel CPUs so there's no surprise there. And yeah, the graphics card will be replaced sooner or later. Might even shove in a gtx 1080, lol.
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Post by Ciel on Dec 19, 2016 17:09:01 GMT -6
AMD CPUs are really bad compared to Intel CPUs so there's no surprise there. And yeah, the graphics card will be replaced sooner or later. Might even shove in a gtx 1080, lol. If you're getting a GTX 1080 might as well get a better CPU man.
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Post by Arcueid Brunestud on Dec 19, 2016 17:41:23 GMT -6
Not right now. Maybe in 5-10 years when games actually need it to run fluidly at even 1080p.
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Post by qaantar on Dec 19, 2016 19:47:41 GMT -6
Interesting, though the price bumps up when you factor in the price of Windows 10, keyboard, mouse, and it doesn't come with warranty for the whole shebang if something goes wrong. A more powerful processor isn't really necessary at the moment for the average person unless you're into video editing, insane multi-tasking and stuff like that. The thing about the pre-built PC I posted is that it is completely upgradable, and that building a PC with the same exact parts would actually cost you more than if you just buy it from amazon. I agree about the PSU, that's pretty risky, and I've read reviews of that being an issue. Might have to replace it. Aside from that, the pre-build is able to play most AAA games at 1080p 60fps with high/max details which is really all I'm looking for. For $810, you could buy that pre-built PC, along with an extra 8GB of ram and a 240GB SSD for faster boot performance. Yeah well, about the CPU, I said that to myself when I bought one AMD FX6300 in 2013 for my then new PC. The result, as expected, disappointment. CPU intensive games like GTA V (and open-world games in general), MMOs and some bad ports (I'm looking at you, Final Fantasy 13) do benefit from a better processor. Anyway, the only thing inherently bad about the pre-built (aside from the PSU), is that RX 480 with reference cooler. You really should stay away from that. Really, sell it or something and buy a non-reference model from Sapphire or MSI. Other than that, it is sufficient for your needs. And by the way, Elfina Ashfield said something about the PCI Express 2.0 bottlenecking the graphics card. That's not an issue though, as TPU just tested in this review. Ooh, interesting. Hrm. Decision, decisions. I may just go w/ a graphics card in the short term, then. My RAM is currently at 32GB, and I have plenty of SSD HDs. So it's really just CPU (i7 2600k @ 3.4 GHz) and video card that are lacking...
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Post by Elfina Ashfield on Dec 19, 2016 22:49:24 GMT -6
Yeah well, about the CPU, I said that to myself when I bought one AMD FX6300 in 2013 for my then new PC. The result, as expected, disappointment. CPU intensive games like GTA V (and open-world games in general), MMOs and some bad ports (I'm looking at you, Final Fantasy 13) do benefit from a better processor. Anyway, the only thing inherently bad about the pre-built (aside from the PSU), is that RX 480 with reference cooler. You really should stay away from that. Really, sell it or something and buy a non-reference model from Sapphire or MSI. Other than that, it is sufficient for your needs. And by the way, Elfina Ashfield said something about the PCI Express 2.0 bottlenecking the graphics card. That's not an issue though, as TPU just tested in this review. Ooh, interesting. Hrm. Decision, decisions. I may just go w/ a graphics card in the short term, then. My RAM is currently at 32GB, and I have plenty of SSD HDs. So it's really just CPU (i7 2600k @ 3.4 GHz) and video card that are lacking... Interesting read Ciel ! It totally blew me away seeing 1080 on 2.0 slot performs the same as 3.0 even under 4K. i7-2600k is way above enough for daily usage IMO, I'm not sure about sandbox games (like GTA V) or big scale RTS games tho.
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Post by Dragon_of_Dojima on Dec 24, 2016 0:35:55 GMT -6
When the nVidia rolls out their new line of cards this upcoming year, I'm getting a GTX 1070. Hopefully it won't be hard to find when this happens. All I'm expecting is a drop in price.(My budget for a new card is at most $350) My current card is a R9 280X...hahahahaha. 2013 was such a fun year.
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Post by qaantar on Jan 9, 2017 11:52:20 GMT -6
So I ended up getting a 1070 Founders edition (was on sale for $360)... which is quite the upgrade from my 570.
It's working great, and it's nice to be able to crank games up to the highest settings again...!
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Post by Dragon_of_Dojima on Jan 10, 2017 21:15:57 GMT -6
So I ended up getting a 1070 Founders edition (was on sale for $360)... which is quite the upgrade from my 570. It's working great, and it's nice to be able to crank games up to the highest settings again...! NICE! That's the one I want, but my budget is at most$350. Should of specified the Founders Edition in my post. Where did you find yours on sale?
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Post by qaantar on Jan 11, 2017 19:15:15 GMT -6
It was on Newegg as a "see in cart" sort of thing. Also, the card is by Gigabyte rather than evga... but seems to be doing just fine so far!
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