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Post by Arcueid Brunestud on Jun 28, 2015 19:09:50 GMT -6
DMC2 was so bad that they can't continue the story after DMC2, so they stick with in-betweenquels. I've beaten DMC2, and know this to be true. It's a great thing that DMC2's plot is pretty much standalone, so the events that could take place between DMC4, and DMC2 can be as much as it wants to be.
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Post by hybridmiriam on Jun 28, 2015 20:09:28 GMT -6
I'm loving it so far, although I know mostly everything about the DMC series 9having owned and played all of them extensively). It was nice that they added trophies to this one similar to what they did for MGSIV. Most of them aren't too hard, and the game has been scaled for current gen consoles, so it looks nice.
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Post by Ixbran on Jun 28, 2015 23:27:03 GMT -6
DMC2 was so bad that they can't continue the story after DMC2, so they stick with in-betweenquels. I've beaten DMC2, and know this to be true. It's a great thing that DMC2's plot is pretty much standalone, so the events that could take place between DMC4, and DMC2 can be as much as it wants to be. Capcom has already confirmed that despite the hate loud fans give the series, it still sold very well and there is a fan base for it. And because of that, DMC2 is still part of the series official time line, and is even included in the franchises official "3142 Art Book". They have even referenced DMC2 in other games, such as Lucia being included in SNK vs. Capcom: Card Fighter DS as a usable character card. They even reference DMC2 in PlayStation all-Stars Battle Royale, with an icon based off of Lucia that can be unlocked if you get Donte to rank 17. They may not acknowledge it often, but they do acknowledge it as an official part of the timeline, regardless of the haters complaints.
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Post by Arcueid Brunestud on Jun 28, 2015 23:40:22 GMT -6
And? Just because they acknowledge it doesn't make what I said earlier irrelevant. Yes, they acknowledge it, about as much as you would acknowledge a mistake. Yes, it sold well because the game before it was really good, so they thought this would be even better. It had poor gameplay, a really dull story, easy difficulty, and none of Dante's smart-ass attitude. If anything, it should be commended for leading up to one of the best action games ever, DMC3&DMC4 and nothing else.
That aside, what are you expecting out of a sequel to DMC2? Lucia is a bland female protagonist, just there for the sake of having a "sexy female". Dante is a silent protagonist now with very few lines. There is no Vergil or Trish (unlock able characters don't count). I don't see what can come after.
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Post by DragonByDegrees on Jun 29, 2015 0:30:10 GMT -6
And? Just because they acknowledge it doesn't make what I said earlier irrelevant. Yes, they acknowledge it, about as much as you would acknowledge a mistake. Yes, it sold well because the game before it was really good, so they thought this would be even better. It had poor gameplay, a really dull story, easy difficulty, and none of Dante's smart-ass attitude. If anything, it should be commended for leading up to one of the best action games ever, DMC3&DMC4 and nothing else. That aside, what are you expecting out of a sequel to DMC2? Lucia is a bland female protagonist, just there for the sake of having a "sexy female". Dante is a silent protagonist now with very few lines. There is no Vergil or Trish (unlock able characters don't count). I don't see what can come after. Well, Dante in hell with a motorcycle, for one.
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Post by Arcueid Brunestud on Jun 29, 2015 0:39:04 GMT -6
I think he got out, if the cliff hanger is to be believed.
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Post by DragonByDegrees on Jun 29, 2015 1:19:05 GMT -6
I think he got out, if the cliff hanger is to be believed. True. They could always show us how, though. EDIT: And how he managed to keep his motorcycle intact while there, if he didn't grab a new one after escaping.
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Post by Arcueid Brunestud on Jun 29, 2015 1:38:08 GMT -6
I feel like that wouldn't warrant a full on sequel though. Maybe a side story for the Vita. Don't know if people would actually want such a thing though.
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Post by Ixbran on Jun 29, 2015 1:41:15 GMT -6
yeah, just because they herd a moter cycle doesn't mean he got out. DMC2 is canonically after DMC4. Now think, who else do we know in the DMC universe who owns a motorcycle and has an affiliation with Dante? Yes she didnt exist back when DMC2 was made, but they could easily make it so in the ending of DMC2 Lady showed up to Dante's office with a job offer only to encounter Lucia instead, as she canonically exists at that point in the series timeline. and Useless, really? Lucia was the first, and is so far the only, DMC Female that is on equal grounds with Dante in terms of power. DMC2 is the last game in the timeline, meaning Dante is at his strongest in that title. Dante and Lucia both go up against the same hoards of monsters, and both are capable of taking them down with little effort. As for her being just there for the sake of having a "sexy female", that can be applied to the entire female cast of the DMC series, sans Patty from the anime. I mean really, out of all of them, shes the most sensibly dressed. In DMC3 Lady's outfit looks like a 'decked out" version of a japanese school girl uniform, plad mini skirt patterns and everything. Heck she doesn't even wear a skirt, she just wears purple bootyshorts with her gun ammo clips in cartridges that are attached to a belt around her waste to look like a skirt. And Trish wears nothing but a black leather dominatrix outfit, I mean really, do people honestly think that the top Trish wears would realistically stick to her chest like that? Breast and Clothing physics don't work that way, not unless she has the top parts suction cupped to her breasts. Also this: Lucia wears skin tight cotton battle uniform with combat boots, weapon holsters for her daggers and throwing knives, as well as a strapped on muffler to protect her face. Really, out of all the Main DMC females in the series, again aside from Patty, shes the most sensibly dressed. This because shes designed to be ready for combat at any time. Heck so far Lucia is the only female in the DMC series to have her own storyline, her own personal conflict, and her own foe to take down at the end. Trish and Lady are just there to work off Dante for his story. Yeah they have their own side stories, and Lady does end up getting her revenge by killing her dad but only after hes already dying, but they aren't the focus of the games plot. For Lucia, when you play her disk, she is the main character. Again, based on the series timeline, Lucia is so far the only female in the franchise to match Dante in terms of power and ability due to being the only other character, aside from Vergil, to have a full on Devil Trigger. Yea Nero has the Devil Bringer, but its not as powerful as a standard DT. And while Trish does have a DT as well, she lacks a full transformation like Dante, Lucia, and Vergil which highly implies, though not out right stating, she isnt as strong as the three of them. The only time shes all that powerful is when she wields the Sparda, which makes sense considering she wasnt made for close-quarters combat, Mundus made her simply to be eye candy for Dante while also looking like his mother. There is plenty they can do, in terms of story and character development, if they make a new game set after DMC2 in the timeline. It may not be the 'best' entry in the series, but it does have its fans, such as my self, and Capcom is aware of this. Just because people like you have a personal vendetta against it wont go changing that any time soon. And Yeah, I happen to be a big fan of the character Lucia because her story impacted me when I was younger. I hadn't been exposed to many games that featured storylines that focused on characters dealing with an identity crisis like she did, not to mention her resolution with her mother stating that despite not being biologically related, Matier still loved her as her own daughter, and that the ties formed from a life time of experiences together made their bond stronger than that of your typical blood bond. This was a lesson I am thankful for having learned due to the fact that, only some odd years later, we adopted my younger brother when he was a baby. It was because of Lucia's story in DMC2 that the fact he was adopted wants an issue, that he was family all the same. You may have not found her character all that interesting, and that's your personal opinion and your entitled too it, but her story helped shaped my view on the aspect of family ties and adoption, and that is something I can always appreciate the games story for. Anyway, end rant, sorry for going way off topic than intended.
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Post by DragonByDegrees on Jun 29, 2015 1:46:11 GMT -6
I feel like that wouldn't warrant a full on sequel though. Maybe a side story for the Vita. Don't know if people would actually want such a thing though. "Son of Sparda travels through Hell on a motorcycle, killing demons, performing ridiculous tricks, possibly engaging in mounted combat." Better yet... "Son of Sparda travels through Hell on a motorcycle that is quickly destroyed, then somehow gets a motorcycle-demon-weapon looking similar to this, and then slaughters his way through Hell, killing demons, performing ridiculous tricks, possibly engaging in mounted combat." There would definitely be a market for that, I think.
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Post by Ixbran on Jun 29, 2015 1:52:43 GMT -6
"Son of Sparda travels through Hell on a motorcycle that is quickly destroyed, then somehow gets a motorcycle-demon-weapon looking similar to this, and then slaughters his way through Hell, killing demons, performing ridiculous tricks, possibly engaging in mounted combat." There would definitely be a market for that, I think. Eh that would be cool, sans the whole ' unconscious helpless woman' aspect. Aside from Kyrie, the DMC franchise is well known for having strong female leads. I don't think it would sit with the fandom all that well if we just got a Damsel in distress storyline like we did with Nero in DMC4.
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Post by Arcueid Brunestud on Jun 29, 2015 1:53:25 GMT -6
...Wow. You are the first person I've met that is so adamant about there being a DMC2 sequel. Most people including me trashes it for having an unoriginal plot with some random CEO being evil for the sake of being evil, having poor gameplay mechanics(gun spam being that OP is stupid), and having an uninteresting sidekick imo. Trish and Lady are infinitely more interesting imo.
More power to you I suppose. The only thing I actually liked about DMC2 was Dante's desperation devil trigger or Majin form. Really made you feel like a God. Unfortunately there is no Super Dante mode.
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Post by DragonByDegrees on Jun 29, 2015 1:54:25 GMT -6
"Son of Sparda travels through Hell on a motorcycle that is quickly destroyed, then somehow gets a motorcycle-demon-weapon looking similar to this, and then slaughters his way through Hell, killing demons, performing ridiculous tricks, possibly engaging in mounted combat." There would definitely be a market for that, I think. Eh that would be cool, sans the whole ' unconscious helpless woman' aspect. Aside from Kyrie, the DMC franchise is well known for having strong female leads. I don't think it would sit with the fandom all that well if we just got a Damsel in distress storyline like we did with Nero in DMC4. Yeah, you were meant to focus on the motorcycle. The two in the back are Ghost Rider and... I dunno. Whoever. Better yet, let me replace that pic with another of the bike so people don't get the wrong idea, I guess.
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Post by Arcueid Brunestud on Jun 29, 2015 1:55:59 GMT -6
I feel like that wouldn't warrant a full on sequel though. Maybe a side story for the Vita. Don't know if people would actually want such a thing though. "Son of Sparda travels through Hell on a motorcycle, killing demons, performing ridiculous tricks, possibly engaging in mounted combat." Better yet... "Son of Sparda travels through Hell on a motorcycle that is quickly destroyed, then somehow gets a motorcycle-demon-weapon looking similar to this, and then slaughters his way through Hell, killing demons, performing ridiculous tricks, possibly engaging in mounted combat." There would definitely be a market for that, I think. Keep in mind this Dante is the silent badass type now. None of the charm of DMC3/DMC4 Dante.
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Post by DragonByDegrees on Jun 29, 2015 2:02:12 GMT -6
"Son of Sparda travels through Hell on a motorcycle, killing demons, performing ridiculous tricks, possibly engaging in mounted combat." Better yet... "Son of Sparda travels through Hell on a motorcycle that is quickly destroyed, then somehow gets a motorcycle-demon-weapon looking similar to this, and then slaughters his way through Hell, killing demons, performing ridiculous tricks, possibly engaging in mounted combat." There would definitely be a market for that, I think. Keep in mind this Dante is the silent badass type now. None of the charm of DMC3/DMC4 Dante. You're making assumptions here. No need for him to remain as such, as the wisecracker is clearly more popular, so they could just as easily change his personality back. After all, they changed it the first time, didn't they? I hesitate to say this, but looking through your posts on this topic, you're not exactly coming at this with an unbiased view. It could clearly work, but you don't seem to want it to. That's fine, and that's how you feel, but when it gets the point where you're imposing unrealistic limitations on hypothetical game ideas just to make it "suck", and using double standards to try to make a point (see the eye candy bit), you need to take a step back and cool down about the topic.
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Post by ChucklesTheJester on Jun 29, 2015 2:04:16 GMT -6
I'll be honest. I'm one of the people who want DMC2 to unhappen. The gameplay was subpar, and the story fails to convey the usual moral about "humanity" in a meaningful way, which is an integral part of DMC. Why can't we get a game starring Sparda instead. Perhaps even set in multiple time periods. He lived for long enough. Or, if we can just talk about pipe dreams for a moment, because this will NEVER happen, the game that puts DMC and Bayonetta in one canon. Just... there are probably definitely less people who like DMC2 than there are those who like DmC: Devil May Cry. And nothing against you who exist. It's just a matter of taste. It's subjective. I'd rather have another Dante (or Vergil) cameo in Shin Megami Tensei, or Persona, or anything else, than a follow-up to DMC2.
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Post by Ixbran on Jun 29, 2015 2:07:33 GMT -6
You're making assumptions here. No need for him to remain as such, as the wisecracker is clearly more popular, so they could just as easily change his personality back. After all, they changed it the first time, didn't they? I hesitate to say this, but looking through your posts on this topic, you're not exactly coming at this with an unbiased view. It could clearly work, but you don't seem to want it to. That's fine, and that's how you feel, but when it gets the point where you're imposing unrealistic limitations on hypothetical game ideas just to make it "suck", and using double standards to try to make a point (see the eye candy bit), you need to take a step back and cool down about the topic. I always figured the fact that Dante acted the way he did was simply because he was bored as all hell. I mean its supposed to be Dante at his strongest right? If hes at his strongest, it means he doesn't have to put forth any effort, and as a result things get would likely get boring. All they would need to do really was introduce a new enemy that could push Dante's limits, to make him come out of this dulled stupor and make him his cocky self again.
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Post by DragonByDegrees on Jun 29, 2015 2:09:14 GMT -6
You're making assumptions here. No need for him to remain as such, as the wisecracker is clearly more popular, so they could just as easily change his personality back. After all, they changed it the first time, didn't they? I hesitate to say this, but looking through your posts on this topic, you're not exactly coming at this with an unbiased view. It could clearly work, but you don't seem to want it to. That's fine, and that's how you feel, but when it gets the point where you're imposing unrealistic limitations on hypothetical game ideas just to make it "suck", and using double standards to try to make a point (see the eye candy bit), you need to take a step back and cool down about the topic. I always figured the fact that Dante acted the way he did was simply because he was bored as all hell. I mean its supposed to be Dante at his strongest right? If hes at his strongest, it means he doesn't have to put forth any effort, and as a result things get would likely get boring. All they would need to do really was introduce a new enemy that could push Dante's limits, to make him come out of this dulled stupor and make him his cocky self again. Yup. And what better way to do that than to stick him in Hell?
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Post by Ixbran on Jun 29, 2015 2:14:30 GMT -6
I always figured the fact that Dante acted the way he did was simply because he was bored as all hell. I mean its supposed to be Dante at his strongest right? If hes at his strongest, it means he doesn't have to put forth any effort, and as a result things get would likely get boring. All they would need to do really was introduce a new enemy that could push Dante's limits, to make him come out of this dulled stupor and make him his cocky self again. Yup. And what better way to do that than to stick him in Hell? I dunno, after playing Bayonetta 2, where the protag actually does go to hell at one point, It'd be hard to beat that for me. However if they could find a way to get Lady, Nero, Lucia, and Trish to get there and aid him, that'd be fun. The More playable characters the better, lol.
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Post by Arcueid Brunestud on Jun 29, 2015 2:17:33 GMT -6
Keep in mind this Dante is the silent badass type now. None of the charm of DMC3/DMC4 Dante. You're making assumptions here. No need for him to remain as such, as the wisecracker is clearly more popular, so they could just as easily change his personality back. After all, they changed it the first time, didn't they? I hesitate to say this, but looking through your posts on this topic, you're not exactly coming at this with an unbiased view. It could clearly work, but you don't seem to want it to. That's fine, and that's how you feel, but when it gets the point where you're imposing unrealistic limitations on hypothetical game ideas just to make it "suck", and using double standards to try to make a point (see the eye candy bit), you need to take a step back and cool down about the topic. That would be a jarring change to DMC2 Dante's personality. There has to be a reason why DMC4 and DMC2 Dante's personalities are so different. Probably something happened in between that changed him. How can you justify him just suddenly reverting to his old personality? It doesn't make sense, be realistic here. Please don't tell me what to do, this is for discussing our thoughts, regardless of how much it may not be to your liking. I gave my thoughts, and even said it'd be good for a side story. I've played through DMC1-4 and DMC2 being the worst out of them gives me doubts on the success of a sequel to DMC2. To begin with, what Ixbran first suggested was a story detailing the events between DMC4&DMC2. That could be interesting, as there is potiential. Dante's growth into DMC2 Dante, Nero and Vergil's involvement, etc.
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