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Post by purifyweirdshard on Aug 2, 2016 8:48:44 GMT -6
i would prefer kickstarter again for a simple reason, if there is a big pubblisher that also means there is someone there to tell Iga what he can and can't do, instead of him doing what he want to do I don't think that will happen regardless. He will be more or less still an indie developer with his own company. Like with the current agreement, he will have full creative freedom. I don't think the goal was ever to have Bloodstained become successful enough to be picked up by another, bigger publisher, but to just make his games at the current level (using his own assets with ArtPlay, collaborating with Inti Creates et al).
The thing about all of this is, it would be exciting and great for us as core fans, but it might not be as great for everyone else and other purposes. Even back when these games were published by Konami, their reach was already pretty niche, so I think we should look to increase the inclusivity of our new franchise rather than narrow it further again. It's just like my thinking on the tutorial issue a while back - it may not be what I subjectively want in the game, but if it helps the game to do better overall and have a better future, then yes, let's definitely go in that direction. Granted, there would be a limit to this, but I don't expect Iga to push those limits beyond good taste...
The way I would be cool with this being done is a stretch goal/extras-only campaign. In this manner, we and the public both know that the game already is guaranteed to be made, but those that wish to can contribute to a campaign to have "more game" while also having a chance to be a part of it, and indeed be in it via reward tiers as before. That is a big part of what's cool about these projects that I haven't seen mentioned yet - the tiers that allow many people to be a part of the game, either just with their name here or there or having something they've helped design as part of the actual product. I want to have enough money next time for Runic Forge. lol
But anyway, yes, I think that would be a fine compromise. And lastly, yeah...it would be a shame to not have something so awesome and exciting again. At the very least, maybe Ben/Fangamer can get cracking at the next great similar project.
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Post by crocodile on Aug 2, 2016 19:22:17 GMT -6
I mean if they need to use kickstarter to get the game off the ground (that is to say it wouldn't happen at all otherwise) or they are interested in using it to gauge interest in exclusive swag/items or they want to use it to expand the content of the game, then kickstarter shouldn't be off the table for a sequel. Indie developers have gone the kickstater well more than once (though I can't think of any examples where it was to fund a sequel). That being said, I'd hope the first game is successful enough to not warrant that. I'd also expect there to be some blowback if they use kickstarter again even if the first game was a hit. Even if everything goes well with this campaign, they can't expect the next one to do just as well for a sequel since at this point, if things have gone well, people will feel the proof of concept has been proven well enough and will be less inclined to donate (especially if they don't want sweet swag).
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Post by Valtiel on Aug 3, 2016 21:32:11 GMT -6
I'd only want them to use Kickstarter again if there's no traditional way to secure funding. If Bloodstained is a big or even moderate success and they can get a publisher to fund a sequel then they shouldn't be going the crowdfunding route. However, if Bloodstained doesn't do so well in terms of sales (but is still a good game) I'd gladly back a Kickstarter for a sequel.
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Post by WhisperingId on Aug 4, 2016 12:50:41 GMT -6
I'm thinking of all of the hours I poured into the comments section and the sprites and the comics... I don't know if I could go through all of that again.  |
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Post by XombieMike on Aug 4, 2016 13:55:04 GMT -6
I'm thinking of all of the hours I poured into the comments section and the sprites and the comics... I don't know if I could go through all of that again. Your efforts were personally appreciated. |
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Post by Maker on Aug 8, 2016 14:07:35 GMT -6
I say yes because 1)It gives them a chance to prove sustained interest in the series 2)It allows the creator better control over their IP so they don't risk having to give up too much to a big publisher (a big publisher may be willing to pick up the sequel, but might also want too much say in what goes into it). 3)It's a unique opportunity for the creator to interact with fans and get feedback and thoughts that go far beyond just beta testing 4)It's a unique opportunity for fans to develop unique content for the game (in-game portrait, create your own room, etc, etc) 5)And lastly, as the Vampire Hunter D kickstarter running right now has pointed out to me, it's a unique opportunity to develop special collector's items and kits. As a backer, I get a collectors box and poster and t-shirt and pins and keychain and lapel pin and artbook and strategy guide (etc, etc) that aren't going to be available outside of the kickstarter, and I think that's pretty darn cool. Basically, there's a lot of reasons to do a kickstarter other than just securing funding, and in fact when a game is being developed by a company and not just 1 or 2 people, there's pretty much no way the kickstarter is going to cover the funds for the entire game. So I say: bring it! So I was going to hit all these points but someone else graciously did it for me. Though to add I think that a Kickstarter for Bloodstained 2 wouldn't be a bad idea simply for the following reason and despite agreeing with all the reason sin the quote... this one seems likely as important at least. It also allows the creator to have extra budget as opposed to perhaps hitting a monetary wall. Even big publishers and funders have limits they are willing to go to and to that end many of us were willing to throw down, what in some cases were a LOT, of money up front for a game and the chance to be in on the process at certain points. Personally I'm not well off enough to go ham on 1000 USD packages but I certainly appreciate that the game can basically be pre-ordered, the money goes in all the right pockets, assists with developing something that I KNOW I'll get the moneys worth out of, and on top of all of that it gives those who were not a backer on the first game the opportunity to (if they play Bloodstained and liked it enough to follow for the sequel) get in on sweet kickstarter deals as they come available, enhancing both the monetary value of the title itself AND their personal space if they managed to snag something really sweet. I'm down to throw money at the 2nd one without even playing the first because Iga has NEVER disappointed me. Though, heh I guess that shows the high bias I have. |
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Post by BahamutKaiser on Aug 9, 2016 14:11:52 GMT -6
Sequels are typically produced because they're safe investments, Kickstarter isn't the most affordable way for the consumer to acquire a product, and original properties are more entertaining than sequels.
If they make a sequel, it should be funded normally, they should have enough revenue from the originals success to find it, otherwise it's not worth doing.
If he has trouble funding another original IP than maybe a Kickstarter could be appropriate, but Kickstarter is not the first method of funding a major developer should attempt.
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Post by otoshigami on Aug 9, 2016 18:22:34 GMT -6
looks like we got 50/50 here. yes i will back bloodstained 2 Success or not despite it is a GOOD GAME on the 1st because kickstarter brings a HUGE mount of benefits both the developer and the BACKERS. developers can do whatever they want while we are PR-ish that can spread the word FASTER. plus THIS FORUM brings us together as we are developing games with them, Feedback wise and also chatting whether it's small talk or HOT TOPIC discussion for the team to read. without kickstarter there will be no BOND between the devs and the fans alike like we have right now. i prefer to stay that way.  |
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Post by BloodyTears92 on Aug 9, 2016 18:30:55 GMT -6
looks like we got 50/50 here. yes i will back bloodstained 2 Success or not despite it is a GOOD GAME on the 1st because kickstarter brings a HUGE mount of benefits both the developer and the BACKERS. developers can do whatever they want while we are PR-ish that can spread the word FASTER. plus THIS FORUM brings us together as we are developing games with them, Feedback wise and also chatting whether it's small talk or HOT TOPIC discussion for the team to read. without kickstarter there will be no BOND between the devs and the fans alike like we have right now. i prefer to stay that way. The closeness to the developers is very nice and quite important, but you don't necessarily need Kickstarter to provide that. If Bloodstained is a success and Inti simply foots the bill for future games, this forum can still serve as a way for the team to keep in contact with the fans and keep us abreast of how things are progressing and get our feedback as the franchise continues into the future. After all, this forum isnt going to just vanish once the game comes out. I imagine a lot of us will be here through the years and sequels to come. We'll have modding threads and speedrun competitions and multiplayer events and all kinds of things to keep the community invested. Continuing to need to rely on Kickstarter would just create a situation where IGA repeatedly falls back on the fans to help him fund games, and that's just not the stable situation the man deserves. Bloodstained should do well, well enough that whomever is currently publishing it will see that success and bank on the franchise themselves in future. |
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Post by otoshigami on Aug 10, 2016 13:35:41 GMT -6
looks like we got 50/50 here. yes i will back bloodstained 2 Success or not despite it is a GOOD GAME on the 1st because kickstarter brings a HUGE mount of benefits both the developer and the BACKERS. developers can do whatever they want while we are PR-ish that can spread the word FASTER. plus THIS FORUM brings us together as we are developing games with them, Feedback wise and also chatting whether it's small talk or HOT TOPIC discussion for the team to read. without kickstarter there will be no BOND between the devs and the fans alike like we have right now. i prefer to stay that way. The closeness to the developers is very nice and quite important, but you don't necessarily need Kickstarter to provide that. If Bloodstained is a success and Inti simply foots the bill for future games, this forum can still serve as a way for the team to keep in contact with the fans and keep us abreast of how things are progressing and get our feedback as the franchise continues into the future. After all, this forum isnt going to just vanish once the game comes out. I imagine a lot of us will be here through the years and sequels to come. We'll have modding threads and speedrun competitions and multiplayer events and all kinds of things to keep the community invested. Continuing to need to rely on Kickstarter would just create a situation where IGA repeatedly falls back on the fans to help him fund games, and that's just not the stable situation the man deserves. Bloodstained should do well, well enough that whomever is currently publishing it will see that success and bank on the franchise themselves in future. that's what i'm worried about this PUBLISHER, presumably koch media/deep silver(which i dont like them anymore), as they have the galls to make a DUMB trailer for mighty no. 9 that ruin their reputaion. are they really trustworthy? how do we know that they wont make another BAD PR stunt that would receive negative backlash? |
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Post by BloodyTears92 on Aug 10, 2016 14:17:03 GMT -6
The closeness to the developers is very nice and quite important, but you don't necessarily need Kickstarter to provide that. If Bloodstained is a success and Inti simply foots the bill for future games, this forum can still serve as a way for the team to keep in contact with the fans and keep us abreast of how things are progressing and get our feedback as the franchise continues into the future. After all, this forum isnt going to just vanish once the game comes out. I imagine a lot of us will be here through the years and sequels to come. We'll have modding threads and speedrun competitions and multiplayer events and all kinds of things to keep the community invested. Continuing to need to rely on Kickstarter would just create a situation where IGA repeatedly falls back on the fans to help him fund games, and that's just not the stable situation the man deserves. Bloodstained should do well, well enough that whomever is currently publishing it will see that success and bank on the franchise themselves in future. that's what i'm worried about this PUBLISHER, presumably koch media/deep silver(which i dont like them anymore), as they have the galls to make a DUMB trailer for mighty no. 9 that ruin their reputaion. are they really trustworthy? how do we know that they wont make another BAD PR stunt that would receive negative backlash? Let's be honest here: that awful trailer was just the cherry on top of a long, hard fall for MN9. The people behind that game had been blundering around for months, steadily loosing faith and hope along the way due to terrible communication. Bloodstained has already established a level of trust, backed up by a solid demo showing and extensive fan communication, that even if some PR team makes a bad trailer (and I doubt the people who made the trailers for MN9 would the the ones working on PR for this game) I'm betting Bloodstained would still do fine. Bloodstained is already a PR godsend due to IGA attending cons and doing vlogs for his fans, plus the updates and polls and demos, the list goes on about how this campaign is substantially better all around. |
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Post by otoshigami on Aug 10, 2016 14:33:30 GMT -6
that's what i'm worried about this PUBLISHER, presumably koch media/deep silver(which i dont like them anymore), as they have the galls to make a DUMB trailer for mighty no. 9 that ruin their reputaion. are they really trustworthy? how do we know that they wont make another BAD PR stunt that would receive negative backlash? Let's be honest here: that awful trailer was just the cherry on top of a long, hard fall for MN9. The people behind that game had been blundering around for months, steadily loosing faith and hope along the way due to terrible communication. Bloodstained has already established a level of trust, backed up by a solid demo showing and extensive fan communication, that even if some PR team makes a bad trailer (and I doubt the people who made the trailers for MN9 would the the ones working on PR for this game) I'm betting Bloodstained would still do fine. Bloodstained is already a PR godsend due to IGA attending cons and doing vlogs for his fans, plus the updates and polls and demos, the list goes on about how this campaign is substantially better all around. as long as communication(big keyword there) is here, then that's all that matters. and i prefer IGA to make a trailer when the time comes. still believing in IGA using kickstarter again but ONLY if his sales is moderate/poor despite a niche good game. |
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Post by LordKaiser on Aug 10, 2016 18:11:01 GMT -6
I voted No because Kickstarter is for people who really need it the most and developers who are dry on funds and at a risk of closing down etc.
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Post by Kale on Aug 12, 2016 0:54:56 GMT -6
that's what i'm worried about this PUBLISHER, presumably koch media/deep silver(which i dont like them anymore), as they have the galls to make a DUMB trailer for mighty no. 9 that ruin their reputaion. are they really trustworthy? how do we know that they wont make another BAD PR stunt that would receive negative backlash? They published Ride to Hell Retribution... why would you like them before? They seem to have done a lot of things though, both good and bad. I'm glad someone picked up Saints Row, for one. Considering how the story is, it's basically at the end of it's current storyline. But regardless, as long as they don't stop Iga from making his game the way he wants, then they can make whatever stupid ass trailer they wish. It won't touch the game, and even with a bad trailer, reviews would be where the true game is shown, good or bad. This game has enough publicity already, so I'm not worried about people not knowing about it. |
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Post by purifyweirdshard on Aug 12, 2016 8:35:35 GMT -6
I don't think we have to worry about repeat MN9 PR missteps. Those issues were so well-documented that I imagine everybody in the industry is trying to avoid such a thing happening, let alone the people that were close to the incident themselves.
It would actually be pretty cool if 2 Player Productions could film a trailer/commercial similar to the KS pitch when the time comes.
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Post by EbonAnimus on Aug 20, 2016 19:21:59 GMT -6
I really hope for Bloodstained 2 using Kickstarter for funding!
That campain was the most fun i had in a long time..
I hoped for orchestrated tracks the most at that time,seeing it busting more stretchgoals the even IGA could imagine was a lot of fun.
A community of Igavania fans from the golden ages coming together and supporting it to a godlike status gave me a lot of hope at that time!
Until Bloodstained i thought that i´m the only one left from that time still playing and hoping for a game that wasn´t only full of videos with a playtime roundabout 2 hours or cheap mobile games-.-
You all have my gratitude for proving me that i was wrong^^
I don´t have much time for myself because of work and my family but really do hope to see all of you again on Bloostained 2 KS-campain, to feel this way again;)
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Post by LordKaiser on Aug 20, 2016 19:35:03 GMT -6
If this game sells well it should not need Kickstarter because that service should be used by people ho have great ideas but don't have the funds to start. Their name says it all including it's intended purpose so that service should not be misused or abused.
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Post by Galamoth on Aug 20, 2016 20:14:54 GMT -6
I actually wouldn't mind either way.
I think that, if IGA & co. plan for a sequel to Bloodstained, they wouldn't need Kickstarter... but I'd still be a backer, nonetheless.
If anything, the funds would at least ensure a better-quality game.
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Post by Kale on Aug 20, 2016 21:37:11 GMT -6
As nice as the game looks now, lets not say we'll support the next one just yet. Let's see how this game ends up being.
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Post by ChucklesTheJester on Aug 21, 2016 3:14:13 GMT -6
Where's the "let's focus on finishing the first game before we even talk about this" option?
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