Attack Cancelling (Backdash cancel video)

PS4 controller (using InputMapper to show up as a 360 controller).

BDC has been around since the DS 'vanias, and made easiest on Harmony of Despair on PS3/360.

Bloodstained's BDC is a little tougher to time properly, but practice makes perfect.

Hopefully there will be weapons with no start up frames (Like Soma's katana weapons). This would make BDC VERY worthwhile.

That looks bad ass. I wish her animations would actually flow with it instead of cancel and repeat.

Nefarious drivers? (Formerly Scarlet Crush drivers.)

Well it is just the demo. Who knows how the cancellations will look in the finished product. :3

Jump cancels are undoubtedly slower (edit: Except perhaps on the demo boss fight, which Romscout attacks quicker than I expected). They're a lot easier to pull off though, so it's likely to be the most popular method of attacking for most people. Backdash cancelling is higher risk, but quite a bit faster. If Miriam gets any no-startup weapons, BDC will absolutely destroy jump cancelling. Basically, twice as many hits (if not more) as what i was doing in the video in the same time span. So yeah, BDC would devour enemies in a hurry.

Yes, but IIRC, it's a LITTLE different in execution. Bloodstained has more in common with Harmony of Despair in terms of execution of BDC, though at a much slower rate. it's been awhile since I've played OoE, so I'm not 100% certain, but it should be somewhat similar, if not the same. Shanoa's two attack buttons string together, so BDC isn't as effective in that game. I'd try more on DoS and PoR.

edit: I saw Romscout's speedrun, and his jump cancels on the boss were definitely faster than the current BDC, though it looks to be limited to JUST that boss fight due to the way the level is structured. I honestly don't know. I never seen anyone jump cancel that fast on normal ground.

I noticed that you can do this with the head flail shard, which is kind of silly.

I don't understand how people can be ok with this, and yet be opposed to an intentionally designed combo system or chain attacks. The ability to exploit the engine like this devalues any depth the rest of the combat mechanics might have, and invalidates much of the claims about the virtues of the simplistic combat system. What does pacing, spacing, striking and retreating, etc. matter when you can just go in and destroy an enemy within seconds by breaking the animations?

I can understand complaints that command-inputs or complex attack chains focus too much on dexterity, technical skill, and reflexes, while diminishing the importance of space management and tactical play, but how is this any different? Cancelling is about practicing frame-level timing and button sequences. The main difference is that it's "secret", and not intentionally designed, and therefore unlikely to be well balanced, with complex choices or tradeoffs. It's simply practice the skill for an advantage with no downsides, and ignore the rest of the intentional mechanics that would otherwise have depth, but are rendered useless in comparison.

I can only guess that people like the feeling of "cheating the system", or using "advanced techniques" that are counter-intuitive, and therefore unlikely to be discovered by a normal player, giving the elites an edge that they can take pride in. Players look for whatever advantage they can, trying to "beat" the developer. The thing is, it's the developer's job to make something fun and engaging. Their work just seems wasted and unappreciated if people just go and break it. It's like children and cats, preferring to play with the box the toy came in rather than the toy itself. Why bother making or buying toys, if people just want to play with boxes?

It's a speed run thing.  I've never taken such blatant advantage of BDC and other glitches/exploits in normal play, but the whole point of speed running is to find every little exploitable glitch that you can to beat the game just a little bit faster.  It's not a challenge to beat the game mechanics, but rather to beat the programming itself.  I'm okay with this exploit because it is an exploit, but the moment you add an intentional combo system, you're changing the base assumptions that level and enemy design are based on.  And that would be changing the heart of what makes an IGAvania what it is.


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