Indivisible - Action RPG by Lab Zero Games

Naga Rider is my new favorite. Maybe we can ask the Kamen Rider community to take a look at this.

With regards to setting a pared-down version of your game as a baseline, the problem is that people can often see through that. One of the main complaints of the Red Ash campaign is that everybody thought they were only getting "part of a game" at the initial funding goal. That turned A LOT of people off. Also, not all sorts of games/genres work well as being sold piecemeal or can be compartmentalized as easily. This seems like one of them. It also seems like this campaign had a lot more lore, characters, etc. already written up and planned out before launch than Bloodstained. Like we already have a backstory for like 10+ characters for this game but only 4 for Bloodstained. So I think there may have been a more complete outline for the base game as a start here.

As an alternative strategy (what I thought you meant initially but I'll continue anyway since I want to make this point), if you ask for say $500k, you secretly really need $1.5 million, and then raise say $1 million (a successful campaign to most onlookers).......you don't have enough money to actually make your game/product. There have been many crowdfunding campaigns (and I imagine more in the future) that have had successful campaigns only to reveal X months to a year later - "woops we don't actually have enough money to finish our product!" which then forces a subpar product, more crowdfunding or just no product. So aside from being very dishonest, intentionally aiming low can be disastrous for both the campaigners as well as the backers.

I feel like they are one of the few kickstarters that are honest about the money situation. The outline they provided was really insightful and I doubt we are going to know much about how Iga's 5.5 mil is being spent.

If I find out he bought a castle somewhere I am getting a whip and smashing my way through that place. Livin the dream.

There's a good reason that transparency in game development is rare.  Look at the amount of scorn and trash talking Star Citizen has garnered because people aren't used to seeing how the game development process actually works.  Most developers don't even announce their games until they're nearly done(e.g. Fallout 4).  

These dudes are even cool to pirates, even when they have no reason to be. www.giantbomb.com/articles/what-happens-when-a-developer-catches-you-pirating/1100-4952/

I think Phoebe will be more like a Hard Hitter then Zebei. She got more damage (she shoot lances!!) and Zebei will be more multi shooter and more target shooter.

By the way, I don't think the Bloodstained Campaign is a "total honesty" one, mainly because the $1.5 MILLION goal (the extra boss). A lot of goals in the "castle" part is more "things we want to put in the game, but not essential, so lets make this as stretch goal to justify more money income". The extra boss is the most... 250k for a single boss? (and no.. this boss are not stated as the secret mega boss IGA for the backers...). With all things we unlocked at end, will be hardly be pinpoint who is this extra boss... mostly because the giant castle, who will need more bosses to fill it.

(But i'm happy with the Bloodstained KS Stretch goals at end )

People are so flagrant and flippant and piracy these days, especially that guy. Whatever, so long as he buys it like he says, we'll just call this a small mishap and move on.

Now we have over 7,000 backers, and we're still at 31% roughly. Keep spreading this guys.

I'm not sure I'll use the spear bow incarnation, unless she turns out secretly good.

You wanna know what's killing me? The fact that they are only NOW announcing contests like fan art, speed runs, and the like. Bloodstained was doing something like this from day one. Oh boy...

labzerogames.com/indiv-igg-contests/

Get cracking guys.


Also, new character. Dude who throws knives, but looks friendly.

In a bit of pretty huge news, the Indivisible prototype is being put up on PSN on November 3rd for PS4 console players to try. Hopefully this gives a boost to the campaign. The vast majority of people who get to play the prototype seem to love it.

Just looked through the campaign and the video
So many cultural mix in the game, which is nice
I'm a bit confused on the pledge, $60 pledge can't give you digital version?

You guys ever heard of Timespinner? It's going for a Symphony of the Night with Time Travel, coupled with music that sounds like Chrono Trigger.




Anyway, I found this post by one of the backers in a recent update of theirs when they were spotlighting Indivisible. It was....interesting. Allow me to quote it.

"Awesome PAX experience! Glad you guys went and showed the game off; I went there two years ago to exhibit a game and it really was amazing/surreal. Such a great experience!
Indivisible looks amazing! I'd love to support Lab Zero with it, but they (bafflingly) refuse to support Kickstarter. I don't know why, but I (in turn) refuse to use IndieGoGo. When they allow direct payment, I will have no problems with IGG, but while they're married to damn PayPal, they can go to Hell. And I'm sorry to every promising project that is on there (Yatagarasu, Them's Fightin' Herds, Skullgirls, now this), but I just won't bite. Paypal is one of the worst companies ever - sites love to claim you that you can just use your credit card THROUGH them and never make an account. This is patently false; they magically have dozens of errors when you try to do this, and ask that you always try again later. "Later" never comes, and it never works, forcing you instead to make an account, which always works (of course)... and now they have your info and Credit Cards on file. I hate them so much... and I'm certainly not alone. They inspire so much hate, there's literally a website called paypalsucks.com. Lifehacker puts them at no.1, ahead of guys like Verizon and Comcast, as the worst company ( lifehacker.com/5953394/five-worst-companies-for-customer-service ). So sorry to Lab Zero, and anyone else in the future looking to use Indie Go-go.
It looks like their campaign stalled out over at IGG now too, and it'll be a massive shame if it doesn't make it. But I hope that, before the write it off, they consider taking their exact same campaign over to Kickstarter and doing a redo before throwing in a the towel. I would very, very, very much like to support Indivisible. I will never, ever use Paypal, or in any way make a Paypal account (vis-a-vis, give them any personal, and credit card, information) though."

-Vince Vasquez

Sadly the Bloodstained shoutout dont get a great boost.... not get even a little boost

It's so lame to see the campaign turn out like this. I hope this doesn't turn into a situation where Lab Zero does everything people want in an ideal campaign (transparency, established reputation, playable prototype, support from youtubers), but still fails.

I didn't think using Indiegogo would be an issue since most crowdfunding traffic comes from the creators and I didn't have any issues with Paypal when I backed Skullgirls. After my whole mess with accidentally submitting money without choosing a backer tier and not being able to fix it myself, I now better understand why Indiegogo will never be as big as Kickstarter and why people don't want to deal with them (or Paypal).

I've also seen a handful of comments thinking Indivisible's campaign works like most other IGG campaigns where the organizers keep all the money made if the goal isn't met and the game will still be made on a smaller scale because of that. LZ has stated this is not the case multiple times, the fixed funding means it works like Kickstarter, there will be no game if the goal is not met, and LZ as a team will be done if they fail. I think the usual selling points IGG used to establish their brand and pushed so much in the past backfired and LZ forgot to account for people with short attention spans. I think it would've helped LZ get their urgency across if they just used Kickstarter and asked for a bit more money to compensate for their cut.

Hopefully things will get better and more money will come in once the prototype arrives on PS4. IIRC, it's the first time Sony's had something like that available to download. Even if the IGG campaign fails, I hope LZ sticks with it until the end instead of quitting in advance. Who knows, maybe having the prototype available will lead to Sony saving Indivisible if things don't work out.