Post by aindriu on Aug 27, 2015 10:32:51 GMT -6
*snugles Aindriu contentedly* It's what I do Thank you for being nice as well!
But anyways, to make sure I understand your position: You contend that being gothic specifically (as opposed to just general horror) means you have to combine the romanticism present in 18th to 19th century literature *along with* dread, supernatural stuff, ominous happenings, etc. present in horror fiction. As you say, the best way to do this would be to use 18th and 19th century style music as well (specifically Baroque, Classical, and maybe Opera), but then you also say that a more contemporary for that's also suitable for this purpose is Metal. You also say that Jazz is less relatable to the 18th/19th century time periods we're looking at, which is understandable, since Bloodstained also takes place in the 19th century (I think--Industrial Revolution-era Europe, right?).
However, I still question whether that makes it less appropriate than Metal for use in Bloodstained. You say "one genre that is inherently ominous is metal," but I'm not sure I agree. I can think of several metal songs which are inspiring, uplifting, or even romantic (in terms of love, not Romanticism) rather than ominous. For instance, Judas Priests's "Another Thing Comin'," which seems like the sort of thing to pump you up and excite you rather than scare you. You also say Metal is considered the "devil's music," but IIRC one of the reasons for that is that it uses the tritone, which (according to Wikipedia) was referred to as "diabolis in musica" or something similar, according to Wikipedia at least. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on either point, but why wouldn't one be able to make a Jazz tune with the 'diabolic' tritone or an ominous minor chord? You're right to say that Metal owes a lot compositionally to Classical, but so does Jazz--IIRC, Ken Burns went so far as to call Duke Ellington "America's Mozart" in his documentary on the artform! So I'm not sure Jazz is much less Classical than Metal is.
Anyways, have a good sleep, we'll all be here when you wake up
Yes, that is a good summary of my perspective on the matter.
And, very true; not all metal in and of itself is a good candidate for "gothic" themes. There are many different subgeneres of metal that do not coincide with the gothic context; hairband metal, redneck metal, nu metal, or death metal (death metal being akin to the difference between horror and "gothic", more or less) aren't really ways to convey a gothic theme. However, the one thing that all metal has in common is that it is generally considered a darker music genre from its inception (Black Sabbath), so that is how it differs from jazz and makes it easier to apply gothic themes; by association, metal is already amenable to the themes if the individual band or musician is wanting to take things to a gothic direction. This is something that I don't see with jazz. Although it is an exceptionally expressive and diverse music genre, it isn't a genre that, like metal, is easily accommodating to gothic themes.
If one were to take the Bela Lugosi Dracula, The Innocents, or even Nosferatu, and if one had to impose a modern score upon them, jazz could potentially work, but I feel it would be more like an avant grade approach rather than a comfortable fit.
On the other hand, I feel that jazz would be a perfect fit if imposed on, say, Fritz Lang's Metropolis. It's an old silent movie that has lots of German Experssionist techniques used to convey gothic narratives, but the story is set in a 1927's view of a not-to-distant future in which jazz was still the newest form of musical expression; It's totally perfect.