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Post by crocodile on Jul 3, 2016 7:40:45 GMT -6
One thing we know is that Zangetsu will be the main character of the prequel.I really really hope for him to be playable in the main game! In his description was something like "can see the souls of the living and the dead" which sounds to me like a hint for a soul absorbing game machanic similar to Miriams shard assimilation which leads to the conclusion that IGA´s aiming for some kind of balancing playable characters!^^ Let´s see what IGA´s imagination has in store for us this time and hope for Zangetsu to be playable in the main game;) (my favorite male character so far;)) Can you cite a source that says this will explicitly happen? We know Zangetsu is involved in the narrative starting before the the time of the main game. We know there is mini-game that takes place before the main narrative. Ergo it is likely that Zangetsu has a role to play in the mini-game. It is NOT CONFIRMED that he has a role to play in it however. Maybe he shows up in it maybe he doesn't. Even if he does show up in it, we don't know he's playable. I agree its likely but that is not the same as confirmed. I would never say something akin to "he will be the main character of the prequel". You don't know this, I don't know this and you can already see what spreading potential misinformation does. Please don't do this unless you can back this up with a source.
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Post by purifyweirdshard on Jul 3, 2016 14:52:15 GMT -6
Can always count on croc for keeping information straight... We have a very similar thread here, in Game Feature Suggestions. I'm considering moving this to there soon, unless anyone has objections: bloodstainedfanforums.com/thread/1003/playable-character-possibilitiesMy take on it all is that yeah, Zangetsu is most likely a playable character, but that hasn't been specifically said by the team.
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Post by kipz on Jul 3, 2016 15:08:37 GMT -6
My take on it all is that yeah, Zangetsu is most likely a playable character, but that hasn't been specifically said by the team. Might as well keep all the posts organized purifyweirdshard, you always do a fantastic job and have good judgement. I would think Zangetsu would be playable too even though I can only hope for Johannes since I love my whip users. The one detail I noticed which makes me think Zangetsu is a possibility is that if you swing your sword and go into the cutscene you can see Miriam's animation holding the sword in either hand sometimes, which totally suits his fighting style, and looks weird to see Miriam swing the Long Sword in the same hand she shoots Fire from.
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Post by yoshi9048 on Jul 3, 2016 15:34:47 GMT -6
It's all a bit quick to judge, methinks. I mean, I'm all for multiple characters; but that's all time willing. We've already seen the incredible promise through the demo so far; but that's no indication or guarantee that they'll have the time or creative freedom to include them as playable characters. Hell, it may turn out that story events preclude them from being playable. According to stretch goals prntscr.com/boe2i0 there HAS TO BE a second playable character. But that doesn't mean it's Zang or Johannes.
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Post by WindsOfOsiris on Jul 3, 2016 16:13:13 GMT -6
I dont know how reliable this is or if it is official (well it is a wiki so who knows) but i saw this the other day, if it is true this could narrow down some ideas. Has anyone seen anything that would back this up? bloodstained.wikia.com/wiki/Category:NPC
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Post by kipz on Jul 3, 2016 16:28:07 GMT -6
I'm thinking that is just someone populating the wiki so there is content, but who knows? The more I think about it the more I wonder why Miriam has sword animations for both hands even though she casts magic out of her right hand only.
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Post by WindsOfOsiris on Jul 3, 2016 16:48:27 GMT -6
haha yea like i said you cant trust wiki but i was feeling he would have been a whip user of sorts that or a strong magic user like yuko. does anyone know anything bout shovel knight? i thought it was a joke
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Post by sumo9988 on Jul 3, 2016 18:31:39 GMT -6
Miriam is the ONLY confirmed playable character at this point. What WindsOfOsiris has posted is merely a description and background of Zangetsu - it does nothing to confirm him playable. I'm only being forceful about this not because I'm mad but because I want to stop the spread of misinformation and we have a lot of new posters likely to be confused if we don't get stuff straightened out. People have been saying "X is totally playable" as a matter of fact for months now and its a problem. Unless the words "this character is playable" come out of Iga's mouth (or something super similar) it is not a confirmation. Let's please wait for confirmation - there's no reason to jump the gun and we likely haven't even seen the full cast yet. A bigger cast would be nice. So yeah. As the official information says. There are two playable characters, however Miriam is the only confirmed playable character.
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Post by sumo9988 on Jul 3, 2016 18:32:19 GMT -6
haha yea like i said you cant trust wiki but i was feeling he would have been a whip user of sorts that or a strong magic user like yuko. does anyone know anything bout shovel knight? i thought it was a joke There's actually no other information about Shovel Knight renamed Shovel Armour than that he's going to be in the game. For what purpose nobody know except IGA and the developers. They got permission from Yacht Club Games to put him in Bloodstained.
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Post by Hertzila on Jul 3, 2016 19:23:38 GMT -6
Unless I've missed something, isn't the plan still to have three playable characters, since the two strech goals were reached? Why do people seem to agree that it's two?
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Post by sumo9988 on Jul 3, 2016 20:49:36 GMT -6
Alright correction. We don't know who the other two playable characters are.
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Post by WindsOfOsiris on Jul 3, 2016 21:46:19 GMT -6
Yes there is going to be 3 playable character. However, as of this second, Miriam is the only KNOWN one. ......... Next are just some ideas out there, not in anyway fact....
For some reason, some people have heard that Johannes is a NPC. i personally haven't heard anything bout the guy, except that he knows something bout Miriam and Gebels Curse.... Thats all i heard For Zangetsu, the way he was introduced, it sounded like they were presenting a new attack character. having only to describe his background and attacks and magic. now again, no one knows if he is a Playable character because no one has said exactly "Zang is a new playable character"........In the video they said "heres a new Character"....... However, heres why i think he is. on the development side, the base game was conceived, story, plot, and the main character almost a year and a half ago. after reaching a funded goal promising a new character, a month later Aug 4 2015 IGA himself revealed Zangetsu and at the time he didn't even have a name, i saw this as a new character after reaching all the goals. now he could be only for the Prequel games, however Iga said he never got to have a samurai Character before, i believe he would want hes first Samurai in his main game.
This was some convincing information, time, and placement that looks to me he is the 3rd promised playable character. or as of now, its my understanding he (to me) is one of the three playables. further more if Johannes is a NPC then all that is left is Gebel or .....Shovel knight, (lol it would be funny but i rather him not be a playable character.)
Another Theory i have is------ Obviously Miriam is the 1st playable, and now i would see Zang could be the 2nd Playable. And for the last, a character that is still in the unknown story---- im honestly hopeing for a unknown Character, that could potentially be in the story somewhere. it would be exciting that way to me. but maybe the Unknown Playable was intended for the 2nd playable spot and Zang is the 3rd. but again all Theorys and having nothing better to do with my time haha
Any Thoughts? i would love to hear some.
Sources: the Aug 4 2015 video
The Kickstarter update # 29
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Post by purifyweirdshard on Jul 3, 2016 21:54:42 GMT -6
Playable Characters thread merged into the Playable Character Possibilities thread here.
The wiki information is unofficial, of course. They (to my knowledge) have no information that we ourselves wouldn't be privy to.
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Post by JeffCross on Jul 4, 2016 0:37:03 GMT -6
wow I thought this thread was going to be pure speculation (I mean it says "possibilities" in the thread title) but it ended up being a "get your story straight" kind of thread... well I in my opinion, based on nothing I would think the three playable character will be Miriam, Johannes and Zangetsu.
I wonder how Johannes will play, one would be able to easily see how Zangetsu and Miriam will play but Johannes... I wonder if his unarmed attack will be alchemy bottles. and Zangetsu, will he punch instead of kick?
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Post by kronfarfar on Jul 4, 2016 7:11:09 GMT -6
Correct me if I'm wrong but the "extra" playable characters have never had a proper equipment menu in any Igavania. I just hope that they change that for this one so there's equipment to collect for them too.
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Post by JeffCross on Jul 4, 2016 16:10:04 GMT -6
Correct me if I'm wrong but the "extra" playable characters have never had a proper equipment menu in any Igavania. I just hope that they change that for this one so there's equipment to collect for them too. yeah the "extra" character never did... but like PoR, I doubt these playable characters will be "extras" and have full equipment and stats. I think if we're able to play Gebel he will be an "extra" character... on that note I hope they give him proper equipment and maybe a proper story.
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Post by purifyweirdshard on Jul 4, 2016 17:29:32 GMT -6
Hm, I don't know, guys. I know where you're coming from, wanting there to be "more to" the other playable characters, but I think it would also be great to focus on the uniqueness and customization of Miriam while other characters could have systems that significantly change gameplay in other, fresh "new" ways while also staying quite 'vania.
I guess this is a bit of speculation in my head that I haven't gotten around to posting yet, lol. I really expect Zangetsu's gameplay, assuming he is in the game, to be quite reminiscent of Getsu Fuuma. A lot of us were exposed to him the first time as an extra character in Harmony of Despair:
His original appearance (whip skeletons!):
The weapon, coloration, presence of kanji tied to his attack/design, a hunter of demons in a hellish game world...they seem as close or more related than Miriam is to any Castlevania character imo. Old school Konami developers seem to really like Getsu Fuuma Den anyway, haha. So what I would like and expect in Zangetsu's case is a more traditional power-up style gameplay with drops being augments to sword attacks and abilities using his ofuda, as well as subweapons similar to Fuuma's. Perhaps he could also be a character more reliant on command input attacks? Maybe a charge up > release projectile?
He is also certainly the "demon samurai type", certainly collects swords, and has this awesome screen after he does: youtu.be/5VuU2rvPmGI?t=4809
So...yeah, I would rather see them go in different directions with the other playable characters than just be like Miriam. She can be the Alucard, Zangetsu the Fuuma, Johannes(?) the classicvania Belmont...Gebel the Joachim (that's how I've pictured him so far lol)? These characters could still have reasons for exploring all of the castle. For example, Zangetsu's swords or abilities may be improved with the help of an alchemy NPC (Johannes, Miriam) who he trades money/ingredients with. There are a lot of possibilities, and he could still have visual customization effects.
tl;dr I like power-ups
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Post by LeoLeWolferoux on Jul 4, 2016 18:25:56 GMT -6
Correct me if I'm wrong but the "extra" playable characters have never had a proper equipment menu in any Igavania. I just hope that they change that for this one so there's equipment to collect for them too. yeah the "extra" character never did... but like PoR, I doubt these playable characters will be "extras" and have full equipment and stats. I think if we're able to play Gebel he will be an "extra" character... on that note I hope they give him proper equipment and maybe a proper story. JeffCross I think what they mean is the optional character modes, in which case (For PoR) you would be playing as Stella/Lorreta, and no they don't have any other equipment that can be changed or equipped on them.
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Post by JeffCross on Jul 4, 2016 18:36:00 GMT -6
yeah the "extra" character never did... but like PoR, I doubt these playable characters will be "extras" and have full equipment and stats. I think if we're able to play Gebel he will be an "extra" character... on that note I hope they give him proper equipment and maybe a proper story. JeffCross I think what they mean is the optional character modes, in which case (For PoR) you would be playing as Stella/Lorreta, and no they don't have any other equipment that can be changed or equipped on them. yeah that's true, but I think they are wondering if the other "playable" characters will go down the lines of unshockable characters like Stella/Lorreta and Richter Belmont. but again I don't think those playable characters are going to go down that road. but that is just my opinion
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