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Post by purifyweirdshard on Apr 11, 2016 12:32:56 GMT -6
Surprisingly, we don't already have a thread for this. The Miriam - The Bloodstained Orphan page asked a while back what we expected and how we think these characters should play? We only know for sure at this point that Miriam will be playable, with Zangetsu strongly hinted, and either Gebel or Johannes being a possible third...perhaps a new character entirely! What are your thoughts? Do you feel something important will be missing, or hope that the included characters have a certain style/aspect to the design, gameplay or otherwise? I think Zangetsu should be kind of like a Maxim or Alucard style character, having spells centered around his ofuda/spirit summons. He could have one sword with upgrades as opposed to a huge variety of different things like Miriam, or maybe just a smaller number of only swords. I imagine that he would on average have better range and attack power, just a bit less mobility and options than Miriam. I think Johannes will be one, and he has a whip on his belt, so I'm think he'll be a Belmont successor. To what degree I'm not sure, but I'd be down with something as close as possible to latter entry Belmonts like Richter and Julius. Maybe even Jonathan-ish for a subweapon variety. His alchemic skills could have him create/modify different subweapons? Also, we have talked about playable characters in a few threads in the past in Bloodstained Discussion, such as this one: bloodstainedfanforums.com/thread/305/third-characterIt may be useful to peruse for thoughts, before as much was known.
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Post by Astaroth on Apr 11, 2016 23:46:56 GMT -6
im hoping for a super secret gebel mode where miriam has succumbed to the curse after defeating gebel and imprisoning him in the deepest part of the castle, and much later on gebel awakes and has to fight his way through a much harder castle with double the enemies at twice the lvl, and the miriam he faces uses all the things you had equipped when you beat him last plus a few awesome curse attacks, and beating her then unlocks those curse attacks for ng+ >3
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Post by crocodile on Apr 12, 2016 2:30:13 GMT -6
For me, its kind of hard to have an opinion on playable characters because its obvious to me we don't know the full cast yet (or I'd hope so, four characters is a super small cast). I want to see all my options before I start picking (or wishing) a choice. I will say I definitely want some sort of Belmont character in the game - I know technically Miriam can use whips and what not but per the voting results, she kind of has the "taint" of sword on her. She's clearly a mage knight and more akin to Shanoa, Cruz or Alucard than a Belmont. All that being said, Johannes.......is not really a character that does much aesthetically or conceptually for me. I'm fine with him being in a supporting role but he's not really a character that screams out to me as someone I actually want to play as.
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Post by purifyweirdshard on Apr 12, 2016 7:29:35 GMT -6
Yeah, this thread could be a "what archetype do you expect" as much as it is "who do you want"? Appearance, gameplay, mode ideas like Astaroth presented...
But yeah croc, I have to agree about Johannes. I get the feeling that there's more to this character, though. He appears a bit too pacifist/NPC-ish in his concept artwork, though I get the feeling that coming down to it, he may either jump into the fight for his friends or snap in some way, changing his aesthetic as he does. Something about him strikes me as a "twist" character, unsuspected as he is.
The whip is definitely there, and that carries a certain connotation to it, definitely. I don't think they'd just conceptually throw that in there and not mean anything by it, or just give an alchemist a whip for some other reason. I don't think you've played LoI, but for those that have, we recall that the Castlevania whip started out being known as the "Whip of Alchemy". Could we be looking at another origin story here? Does Johannes likewise infuse this weapon for future generations to fight against future manifestations of bloodstained castles?
Going back to his look though, Johannes would at least need a longer coat or cape for his animations. That would provide a more heroic appearance as well. I don't mind how he looks already per se, but I do agree he does not at the moment look like someone that will be fighting...not yet.
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Post by Maker on Apr 12, 2016 11:20:21 GMT -6
So what your saying is Johannes needs a long coat with some leopard skin and a beard right? (Sorry I couldn't resist)
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Post by CastleDan on Apr 12, 2016 11:31:32 GMT -6
I think it seems pretty obvious that it'd be Zangetsu and Johanness. I look forward to it
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Post by crocodile on Apr 13, 2016 1:13:16 GMT -6
Yeah, this thread could be a "what archetype do you expect" as much as it is "who do you want"? Appearance, gameplay, mode ideas like Astaroth presented... But yeah croc, I have to agree about Johannes. I get the feeling that there's more to this character, though. He appears a bit too pacifist/NPC-ish in his concept artwork, though I get the feeling that coming down to it, he may either jump into the fight for his friends or snap in some way, changing his aesthetic as he does. Something about him strikes me as a "twist" character, unsuspected as he is. The whip is definitely there, and that carries a certain connotation to it, definitely. I don't think they'd just conceptually throw that in there and not mean anything by it, or just give an alchemist a whip for some other reason. I don't think you've played LoI, but for those that have, we recall that the Castlevania whip started out being known as the "Whip of Alchemy". Could we be looking at another origin story here? Does Johannes likewise infuse this weapon for future generations to fight against future manifestations of bloodstained castles? Going back to his look though, Johannes would at least need a longer coat or cape for his animations. That would provide a more heroic appearance as well. I don't mind how he looks already per se, but I do agree he does not at the moment look like someone that will be fighting...not yet. I think my issue with Johannes is that he doesn't look the part of a protagonist. That's not to say he has to be some super badass or GTFO (nerd protagonists have been successful in many media) but he just doesn't have an appealing design or presence to him. Real Talk? I expect him to go down a similar path as this character: *wonders who will get the reference and what it means* I think it seems pretty obvious that it'd be Zangetsu and Johanness. I look forward to it I mean its not obvious, due in part because we have reason to believe we don't have the full cast. It's fine to make inferred guesses or wishes though
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Post by purifyweirdshard on Apr 13, 2016 7:26:46 GMT -6
Yeah, that's what I mean by his presence/design likely being changed in some way as he becomes playable. Maybe he's not what he appears to be to begin with? Genya Arikado turns out to be a playable Alucard, for example, who before was a relatively unassuming guy in a suit. His look is already a bit different in the pre-curse art we got. The unassuming, non-combative guise he has could be throwing us off. D: That image isn't loading for me, but from the filename I take it that it's Aizen from Bleach? I haven't seen that, but looked him up. Sounds like a plausible scenario. Who I mainly think of when looking at him as he is now would be this guy: Dr. Irie from Higurashi. BUT WHAT IF DR. IRIE WAS A BELMONT? Yeah, I'm being pretty far-fetched I guess. Maker , not everybody can be -that- cool lol. I actually like Richter (either), Leon and Trevor's designs better, but J is no doubt "the man", at least in his time.
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Post by CastleDan on Apr 13, 2016 8:36:36 GMT -6
Yeah, this thread could be a "what archetype do you expect" as much as it is "who do you want"? Appearance, gameplay, mode ideas like Astaroth presented... But yeah croc, I have to agree about Johannes. I get the feeling that there's more to this character, though. He appears a bit too pacifist/NPC-ish in his concept artwork, though I get the feeling that coming down to it, he may either jump into the fight for his friends or snap in some way, changing his aesthetic as he does. Something about him strikes me as a "twist" character, unsuspected as he is. The whip is definitely there, and that carries a certain connotation to it, definitely. I don't think they'd just conceptually throw that in there and not mean anything by it, or just give an alchemist a whip for some other reason. I don't think you've played LoI, but for those that have, we recall that the Castlevania whip started out being known as the "Whip of Alchemy". Could we be looking at another origin story here? Does Johannes likewise infuse this weapon for future generations to fight against future manifestations of bloodstained castles? Going back to his look though, Johannes would at least need a longer coat or cape for his animations. That would provide a more heroic appearance as well. I don't mind how he looks already per se, but I do agree he does not at the moment look like someone that will be fighting...not yet. I think my issue with Johannes is that he doesn't look the part of a protagonist. That's not to say he has to be some super badass or GTFO (nerd protagonists have been successful in many media) but he just doesn't have an appealing design or presence to him. Real Talk? I expect him to go down a similar path as this character: *wonders who will get the reference and what it means* I think it seems pretty obvious that it'd be Zangetsu and Johanness. I look forward to it I mean its not obvious, due in part because we have reason to believe we don't have the full cast. It's fine to make inferred guesses or wishes though Sorry didn't mean for it to sound harsh or something. Did SOTN have a big cast? I don't think igavanias always had a large cast. Either way, the two characters we've seen carry weapons so it's safe to assume they will probably be utilized as playable characters. It's a SAFE assumption that characters they've shown us and gotten us into earlier might be characters we play as. just seems like the biggest possibility. Especially since IGA mentioned Johannes' whip before to show he's tough and then going into detail about what the other character can do with magic and his arm thing. Seems they want them to be the two cool alternative characters.
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Post by crocodile on Apr 13, 2016 11:07:54 GMT -6
Sorry didn't mean for it to sound harsh or something. Did SOTN have a big cast? I don't think Igavanias always had a large cast. Either way, the two characters we've seen carry weapons so it's safe to assume they will probably be utilized as playable characters. It's a SAFE assumption that characters they've shown us and gotten us into earlier might be characters we play as. It just seems like the biggest possibility. Especially since IGA mentioned Johannes' whip before to show he's tough and then going into detail about what the other character can do with magic and his arm thing. Seems they want them to be the two cool alternative characters. The cast of SOTN - Alucard
- Richter
- Maria
- Shaft
- The Librarian
- Death (barely)
- The Succubus (barely)
- Lisa (in a flashback)
- Dracula
The cast of COTM - Nathan Graves
- Hugh Baldwin
- Morris Baldwin
- Carmilla
- The Necromancer (barely)
- Dracula
The cast of HOD - Juste Belmont
- Maxim
- Lydie
- The Shopkeeper (does he have a name I don't remember?)
- Death
- Dracula
The cast of AOS - Soma Cruz
- Mina
- Alucard
- Yoko
- Hammer
- Julius Belmont
- Graham
The cast of DOS - Soma Cruz
- Mina
- Alucard
- Yoko
- Hammer
- Julius Belmont
- Celia
- Dario
- Dimitri
The cast of POR
- Johnathan
- Charlotte
- Brauner
- Stella
- Loretta
- Eric Lecarde
- Vincent
- Death
- Dracula
The cast of OOE - Shanoa
- Albus
- Barlowe
- Villager 12x (they all have names + roles but I don't feel like looking them up)
- Dracula
Compared to every single Igavania, a cast of only four would be the smallest cast a game of this sort has EVER had. Also note that the casts tend to get bigger as we move forward in time as the story and scenarios become more involved. Let's also remember that Bloodstained is set to be Iga's largest game ever, has to written in a way that can set up an entirely new franchise if its successful and that Iga admitted that the scenario wasn't done when the Kickstarter was put up. Even if Iga hadn't already hinted there would be more, do you really think we've seen the entire crew? As such, I feel no need or desire to assume the rest of the playable cast will be pulled from the remaining characters we've seen (though I'm more willing to entertain one of the other playable characters is Zangetsu than I am Johannes).
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Post by CastleDan on Apr 13, 2016 11:15:39 GMT -6
Sorry didn't mean for it to sound harsh or something. Did SOTN have a big cast? I don't think Igavanias always had a large cast. Either way, the two characters we've seen carry weapons so it's safe to assume they will probably be utilized as playable characters. It's a SAFE assumption that characters they've shown us and gotten us into earlier might be characters we play as. It just seems like the biggest possibility. Especially since IGA mentioned Johannes' whip before to show he's tough and then going into detail about what the other character can do with magic and his arm thing. Seems they want them to be the two cool alternative characters. The cast of SOTN - Alucard
- Richter
- Maria
- Shaft
- The Librarian
- Death (barely)
- The Succubus (barely)
- Lisa (in a flashback)
- Dracula
The cast of COTM - Nathan Graves
- Hugh Baldwin
- Morris Baldwin
- Carmilla
- The Necromancer (barely)
- Dracula
The cast of HOD - Juste Belmont
- Maxim
- Lydie
- The Shopkeeper (does he have a name I don't remember?)
- Death
- Dracula
The cast of AOS - Soma Cruz
- Mina
- Alucard
- Yoko
- Hammer
- Julius Belmont
- Graham
The cast of DOS - Soma Cruz
- Mina
- Alucard
- Yoko
- Hammer
- Julius Belmont
- Celia
- Dario
- Dimitri
The cast of POR
- Johnathan
- Charlotte
- Brauner
- Stella
- Loretta
- Eric Lecarde
- Vincent
- Death
- Dracula
The cast of OOE - Shanoa
- Albus
- Barlowe
- Villager 12x (they all have names + roles but I don't feel like looking them up)
- Dracula
Compared to every single Igavania, a cast of only four would be the smallest cast a game of this sort has EVER had. Also note that the casts tend to get bigger as we move forward in time as the story and scenarios become more involved. Let's also remember that Bloodstained is set to be Iga's largest game ever, has to written in a way that can set up an entirely new franchise if its successful and that Iga admitted that the scenario wasn't done when the Kickstarter was put up. Even if Iga hadn't already hinted there would be more, do you really think we've seen the entire crew? As such, I feel no need or desire to assume the rest of the playable cast will be pulled from the remaining characters we've seen (though I'm more willing to entertain one of the other playable characters is Zangetsu than I am Johannes).
Ohh, I think I just interpreted it wrong. I didn't know you were including boss/side characters, you don't typically play as boss characters or side characters like the librarian or bosses like Death/Dracula/Succubus. In terms of past games it's usually the main protagonists, and I'd imagine the three we've seen are probably the main ones as they were the first ones introduced and they're all three against the demons. So, based on that info it makes the most sense that they will be playable. They could always throw us a curve ball and introduce another new protagonist later and they are playable but I don't know they seemed to focus on these two and their abilities and weapons for a reason to me. I'm not personally crazy about Johannes' design but I think playing as Zangetsu will be great if he is a playable character.
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Post by crocodile on Apr 13, 2016 12:19:13 GMT -6
The cast of SOTN - Alucard
- Richter
- Maria
- Shaft
- The Librarian
- Death (barely)
- The Succubus (barely)
- Lisa (in a flashback)
- Dracula
The cast of COTM - Nathan Graves
- Hugh Baldwin
- Morris Baldwin
- Carmilla
- The Necromancer (barely)
- Dracula
The cast of HOD - Juste Belmont
- Maxim
- Lydie
- The Shopkeeper (does he have a name I don't remember?)
- Death
- Dracula
The cast of AOS - Soma Cruz
- Mina
- Alucard
- Yoko
- Hammer
- Julius Belmont
- Graham
The cast of DOS - Soma Cruz
- Mina
- Alucard
- Yoko
- Hammer
- Julius Belmont
- Celia
- Dario
- Dimitri
The cast of POR
- Johnathan
- Charlotte
- Brauner
- Stella
- Loretta
- Eric Lecarde
- Vincent
- Death
- Dracula
The cast of OOE - Shanoa
- Albus
- Barlowe
- Villager 12x (they all have names + roles but I don't feel like looking them up)
- Dracula
Compared to every single Igavania, a cast of only four would be the smallest cast a game of this sort has EVER had. Also note that the casts tend to get bigger as we move forward in time as the story and scenarios become more involved. Let's also remember that Bloodstained is set to be Iga's largest game ever, has to written in a way that can set up an entirely new franchise if its successful and that Iga admitted that the scenario wasn't done when the Kickstarter was put up. Even if Iga hadn't already hinted there would be more, do you really think we've seen the entire crew? As such, I feel no need or desire to assume the rest of the playable cast will be pulled from the remaining characters we've seen (though I'm more willing to entertain one of the other playable characters is Zangetsu than I am Johannes).
Ohh, I think I just interpreted it wrong. I didn't know you were including boss/side characters, you don't typically play as boss characters or side characters like the librarian or bosses like Death/Dracula/Succubus. In terms of past games it's usually the main protagonists, and I'd imagine the three we've seen are probably the main ones as they were the first ones introduced and they're all three against the demons. So, based on that info it makes the most sense that they will be playable. They could always throw us a curve ball and introduce another new protagonist later and they are playable but I don't know they seemed to focus on these two and their abilities and weapons for a reason to me. I'm not personally crazy about Johannes' design but I think playing as Zangetsu will be great if he is a playable character. Well I have to compare the entire casts of all games because we still don't know the entire narrative roles of the characters introduced so far. You talk about protagonists but Gebel has been introduced as an antagonist. Will he be taking the role of Dracula? Will he have a role similar to Graham from AOS? Will he have a role similar to SOTN Richter? We literally don't know and you can see how that can influence his potential playability. Is Zangetsu going to take a role similar to Julius Belmont or will he be more akin to Eric Lecarde? What happens if he takes a role similar to Alucard or Yoko from the later games? They weren't playable in AOS but they were playable in DOS despite having pretty much the same narrative role between games. There is too much we straight don't know about the full cast or the narrative of the story to really say who beside Miriam could or couldn't be playable. That's why I'm being adamant that as much as people may like to wish or speculate, they shouldn't make any actual assumptions about the cast.
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Post by CastleDan on Apr 13, 2016 12:21:06 GMT -6
Ohh, I think I just interpreted it wrong. I didn't know you were including boss/side characters, you don't typically play as boss characters or side characters like the librarian or bosses like Death/Dracula/Succubus. In terms of past games it's usually the main protagonists, and I'd imagine the three we've seen are probably the main ones as they were the first ones introduced and they're all three against the demons. So, based on that info it makes the most sense that they will be playable. They could always throw us a curve ball and introduce another new protagonist later and they are playable but I don't know they seemed to focus on these two and their abilities and weapons for a reason to me. I'm not personally crazy about Johannes' design but I think playing as Zangetsu will be great if he is a playable character. Well I have to compare the entire casts of all games because we still don't know the entire narrative roles of the characters introduced so far. You talk about protagonists but Gebel has been introduced as an antagonist. Will he be taking the role of Dracula? Will he have a role similar to Graham from AOS? Will he have a role similar to SOTN Richter? We literally don't know and you can see how that can influence his potential playability. Is Zangetsu going to take a role similar to Julius Belmont or will he be more akin to Eric Lecarde? What happens if he takes a role similar to Alucard or Yoko from the later games? They weren't playable in AOS but they were playable in DOS despite having pretty much the same narrative role between games. There is too much we straight don't know about the full cast or the narrative of the story to really say who beside Miriam could or couldn't be playable. That's why I'm being adamant that as much as people may like to wish or speculate, they shouldn't make any actual assumptions about the cast. I get you! I'm not disagreeing with you there, I'm just saying I think Zangetsu will be playable ( mainly cuz i want him to be haha)
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Post by Galamoth on Apr 13, 2016 13:41:57 GMT -6
I'll just go ahead and bet money on Zangetsu being playable. I know it's only a chance, and we certainly don't have any confirmation yet...but if you ask me, it certainly sounded like Zangetsu was hinted to be playable, just from his description.
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Post by CastleDan on Apr 13, 2016 13:45:24 GMT -6
I'll just go ahead and bet money on Zangetsu being playable. I know it's only a chance, and we certainly don't have any confirmation yet...but if you ask me, it certainly sounded like Zangetsu was hinted to be playable, just from his description. Yup, they talked about his arm, his magic abilities, and a bit about him. Even Johannes, IGA pointed out he has a whip. So i'm sure he will end up playable as well.
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Post by crocodile on Apr 13, 2016 15:46:52 GMT -6
I mean we only have like 4 characters revealed, clearly they are going to go into detail about them Seriously though "Well they talked about his whip" to "he's definitely playable" is way too much of a leap. Zangetsu at least seems more plausible based on his design, his background, his potential repertoire, etc. but even then I'm personally hesitant to make any assumptions based on reasons I outlined earlier. That is to say if these four were the only major characters in the game I 100% think he would make the cut. Since its likely the final cast is much bigger, there is plenty of room for other, potentially more interesting or important, characters to take that slot. I just don't want people to set themselves up for disappointment
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Post by CastleDan on Apr 14, 2016 7:05:54 GMT -6
I mean we only have like 4 characters revealed, clearly they are going to go into detail about them Seriously though "Well they talked about his whip" to "he's definitely playable" is way too much of a leap. Zangetsu at least seems more plausible based on his design, his background, his potential repertoire, etc. but even then I'm personally hesitant to make any assumptions based on reasons I outlined earlier. That is to say if these four were the only major characters in the game I 100% think he would make the cut. Since its likely the final cast is much bigger, there is plenty of room for other, potentially more interesting or important, characters to take that slot. I just don't want people to set themselves up for disappointment At the same time I hope you don't get your hopes up hoping for a much cooler character to be revealed that we get to play as and it never happens. I honestly don't care either way. I'm a main campaign type of guy, bonuses are cool but it rarely interests me all that much
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Post by Galamoth on Apr 14, 2016 9:48:20 GMT -6
I mean we only have like 4 characters revealed, clearly they are going to go into detail about them Seriously though "Well they talked about his whip" to "he's definitely playable" is way too much of a leap. Zangetsu at least seems more plausible based on his design, his background, his potential repertoire, etc. but even then I'm personally hesitant to make any assumptions based on reasons I outlined earlier. That is to say if these four were the only major characters in the game I 100% think he would make the cut. Since its likely the final cast is much bigger, there is plenty of room for other, potentially more interesting or important, characters to take that slot. I just don't want people to set themselves up for disappointment At the same time I hope you don't get your hopes up hoping for a much cooler character to be revealed that we get to play as and it never happens. I honestly don't care either way. I'm a main campaign type of guy, bonuses are cool but it rarely interests me all that much Speaking of "bonuses", I'm certainly hoping that Zangetsu (if he's playable) has more than just background involvement in Bloodstained's story. Not just as a "bonus" character. Zangetsu just might be playable in the special "Prequel Mini-Game", and [hopefully] he'll have a full-fledged story for the occasion of him being the controlled character present in Gebel's Castle instead of Miriam. Or, perhaps his exploration of Gebel's Castle will coincide with Miriam's adventure (perhaps they would encounter each other in Miriam's story anyway, in a manner similar to Soma Cruz's encounters with other characters in the Sorrow games). Speculation abound!
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Post by crocodile on Apr 14, 2016 11:58:32 GMT -6
I mean we only have like 4 characters revealed, clearly they are going to go into detail about them Seriously though "Well they talked about his whip" to "he's definitely playable" is way too much of a leap. Zangetsu at least seems more plausible based on his design, his background, his potential repertoire, etc. but even then I'm personally hesitant to make any assumptions based on reasons I outlined earlier. That is to say if these four were the only major characters in the game I 100% think he would make the cut. Since its likely the final cast is much bigger, there is plenty of room for other, potentially more interesting or important, characters to take that slot. I just don't want people to set themselves up for disappointment At the same time I hope you don't get your hopes up hoping for a much cooler character to be revealed that we get to play as and it never happens. I honestly don't care either way. I'm a main campaign type of guy, bonuses are cool but it rarely interests me all that much Well I'm not in a position of hoping to be "rescued" so to speak because I don't even know who the playable cast will be yet. If we only knew of Miriam, Johannes and Gebel, knew there were going to be three playable characters, didn't know Zangetsu was on deck and had no inclination that more characters were on the way then yeah I guess I might be apprehensive or saying "I REALLY hope there are other potential playable characters yet to be revealed". That's not the situation we are in right now. Of the tiny cast we have now, assuming no more playable characters were revealed, I would think the playable cast would be Miriam, Gebel and Zangetsu. Again though, that's all assumptions. At this point, I kind of just want more of the cast to be revealed. I do want more options and there are personalities/archetypes (either in a narrative role or playable role) not represented so far that I think would be good to see but really I'm also just kind of tired of speculating (who is playable? who isn't? what narrative role might character X have?) because we are doing so totally in the dark - we have too little info to make informed speculation. Mana ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ give new characters!
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Post by CastleDan on Apr 14, 2016 12:13:58 GMT -6
At the same time I hope you don't get your hopes up hoping for a much cooler character to be revealed that we get to play as and it never happens. I honestly don't care either way. I'm a main campaign type of guy, bonuses are cool but it rarely interests me all that much Well I'm not in a position of hoping to be "rescued" so to speak because I don't even know who the playable cast will be yet. If we only knew of Miriam, Johannes and Gebel, knew there were going to be three playable characters, didn't know Zangetsu was on deck and had no inclination that more characters were on the way then yeah I guess I might be apprehensive or saying "I REALLY hope there are other potential playable characters yet to be revealed". That's not the situation we are in right now. Of the tiny cast we have now, assuming no more playable characters were revealed, I would think the playable cast would be Miriam, Gebel and Zangetsu. Again though, that's all assumptions. At this point, I kind of just want more of the cast to be revealed. I do want more options and there are personalities/archetypes (either in a narrative role or playable role) not represented so far that I think would be good to see but really I'm also just kind of tired of speculating (who is playable? who isn't? what narrative role might character X have?) because we are doing so totally in the dark - we have too little info to make informed speculation. Mana ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ give new characters! I think you have something against Johannes. Not crazy about the design? I'm the same. I would prefer to play as someone different than him as well but hey...maybe he will be cool in the game.
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